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Airtel - dead man walking
Djinn
#1 Posted : Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:38:07 PM
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...as a known major detractor of the green monster on Wazua, I am now forced to break ranks with Chameleontel in whose defence I have been steadfast (esp when it was Zain).

Mainly:

- increasing mediocrity in service and customer service. I recently misplaced my dongle and called 232 to have the line deactivated. The space cadet on the line came back after a brief pause "Thank you for holding, the line is now activated - just load airtime and get a bundle, etc etc" - I explained what I wanted THREE times. WTF? Is this a gargantuan outsourcing flop or what? Anyway, I hope the line is deactivated and will toss the SIM card.

- very unclear data tariffs - bundles seem to cost a pittance but what you are not told is that they expire within a few days and the system automatically deducts the same amount once the bundle has either expired or dries up. If you have a smart phone< i;d recommend you find a way of metering how the bundle gets used - recall it took a while for Kenyans to notice that bread, which used to be 500gm, became 400gms...

- too many promotions that really mean NOTHING to the subscriber - indeed I believe subscribers are being taken for a ride with some of these promotions and having the wool pulled over their eyes.

- treating the Kenyan business environment like a casino - throwing good money after bad money - the minute model MIGHT have worked - but I think too much has been sunk into low tariffs and even more bleeding will happen with free porting. Lets recall that other MNCs have tried to come an take the hill in kenya (SABMiller, Metro Cash and Carry, Tescos) and have all been stung by the peculiar environment. Airtel seems to be feeding the slot machine it time it yields a few tokens - but surely not enough tokens and their value is doubtful (multi SIM environment).

- stooping rather low when it comes to marketing (i.e. offering to pay porting fees amounts to an unfair practice IMHO and the only reason other operators are keeping quiet is they know Airtel have their wallet open and are going to loose even more - let them bleed - we know subscribers are as migratory as wildebeest - they will come back later). MNP is supposed to be a recourse to allow subscribers who are disenchanted with their providers to vote with their feet - not a tool to grow subscriber numbers. Either way, trying to leverage on MNP will bring great grief to Airtel.

- Aside from unclear bundles and how they get used up, the data service is very very unreliable....I have had to call 232 more times in the last month than I have in the last 3 years since I cannot connect or stay connected. Browsing speeds have become as slow as slugs crawling on grease.

- With increasing subscriber base, overall network quality is being affected. Picture your regular 14 seater matatu now carrying 18 people - its getting uncomfortable and we subscribers no longer feel special and have nothing to gloat about in terms of network quality.

I predict in 3-4 months, this fairytale will read ..."Once upon a time, there was a chameleon...but alas, it is now no more. The end."

I urge Airtel subscribers to be VIGILANT - what you pay for voice, data and the various "promotions" should be what you get.

Perhaps we have been socially re-engineered by the recent EXTREMELY low tariffs not to notice we are paying more - perhaps more than before...

mozenrat
#2 Posted : Tuesday, April 05, 2011 10:08:18 PM
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Joined: 5/18/2008
Posts: 796
A Safaricom Engineer warned me about this.. His words were: 'Yes we're working on trying to improve network quality. But if guys think the other networks are any better - wait until we offload some some of our subscribers to their networks.. The meaning of congested will be redefined for them'
X13united
#3 Posted : Tuesday, April 05, 2011 10:52:57 PM
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@ diinn- bias bia bias. "WE know subscribers are as migratory as wildebeest". Honestly,which side are you on? I can nt see a clear cut point in all you wrote.
vky
#4 Posted : Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:01:31 AM
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conjecture!
'One headache for famous medieval holy people was that someone might murder you to acquire your body parts for the relics trade'
quicksand
#5 Posted : Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:16:57 AM
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Location: Nairobi
I have this feeling that Airtel-Kenya, instead of concentrating on long-term planning and sustained investment to make it a sturdy and robust network capable of holding fort and returning reasonable returns for another 20 or so years to come, is being given a 'polishing up' to exhibit external signs of health, hit some numbers that look good in a prospectus (x million subs, 3g etc etc) then will be peddled for sale to another unwitting, unsuspecting investor or network, and the brilliant business masterminds in India will take the healthy profit and move on to other ventures.

How is that 3G coming by the way? It has been widely rumored the service will commence in April, any updates?
Djinn
#6 Posted : Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:23:02 AM
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Joined: 11/13/2008
Posts: 1,565
X13united wrote:
@ diinn- bias bia bias. "WE know subscribers are as migratory as wildebeest". Honestly,which side are you on? I can nt see a clear cut point in all you wrote.


@X13united - the font from which I draw knowledge is not that shallow - perhaps you'd care to see telecoms sector posts I have made on this site (incl one abt a telecoms bubble and generally abt AK and SCOM)...coincidentally this particular thread is me speaking as a gradually disenchanted and disillusion subscriber and not as a sector analyst...I'm keeping that for another day, once we know which way the cat jumps in terms of MNP and tariffs - possibly in the next couple of weeks
Djinn
#7 Posted : Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:32:30 AM
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Joined: 11/13/2008
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vky wrote:
conjecture!


oh, thats a nice word....

@all - If I was to use an analogy...someone has taken a 35 seater mercedes bus of fairly good luxury and taken it apart to create a few noisy tuk tuks in order to charge less and carry more...MINUTE MODEL.

Where 10 semi-skilled tuk tuk drivers = 0.5 experienced, highly trained Class C/D driver (save).


XSK
#8 Posted : Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:43:33 AM
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Joined: 12/8/2009
Posts: 975
Location: Nairobi
Djinn wrote:
...as a known major detractor of the green monster on Wazua, I am now forced to break ranks with Chameleontel in whose defence I have been steadfast (esp when it was Zain).

Mainly:

- increasing mediocrity in service and customer service. I recently misplaced my dongle and called 232 to have the line deactivated. The space cadet on the line came back after a brief pause "Thank you for holding, the line is now activated - just load airtime and get a bundle, etc etc" - I explained what I wanted THREE times. WTF? Is this a gargantuan outsourcing flop or what? Anyway, I hope the line is deactivated and will toss the SIM card.

- very unclear data tariffs - bundles seem to cost a pittance but what you are not told is that they expire within a few days and the system automatically deducts the same amount once the bundle has either expired or dries up. If you have a smart phone< i;d recommend you find a way of metering how the bundle gets used - recall it took a while for Kenyans to notice that bread, which used to be 500gm, became 400gms...

- too many promotions that really mean NOTHING to the subscriber - indeed I believe subscribers are being taken for a ride with some of these promotions and having the wool pulled over their eyes.

- treating the Kenyan business environment like a casino - throwing good money after bad money - the minute model MIGHT have worked - but I think too much has been sunk into low tariffs and even more bleeding will happen with free porting. Lets recall that other MNCs have tried to come an take the hill in kenya (SABMiller, Metro Cash and Carry, Tescos) and have all been stung by the peculiar environment. Airtel seems to be feeding the slot machine it time it yields a few tokens - but surely not enough tokens and their value is doubtful (multi SIM environment).

- stooping rather low when it comes to marketing (i.e. offering to pay porting fees amounts to an unfair practice IMHO and the only reason other operators are keeping quiet is they know Airtel have their wallet open and are going to loose even more - let them bleed - we know subscribers are as migratory as wildebeest - they will come back later). MNP is supposed to be a recourse to allow subscribers who are disenchanted with their providers to vote with their feet - not a tool to grow subscriber numbers. Either way, trying to leverage on MNP will bring great grief to Airtel.
- Aside from unclear bundles and how they get used up, the data service is very very unreliable....I have had to call 232 more times in the last month than I have in the last 3 years since I cannot connect or stay connected. Browsing speeds have become as slow as slugs crawling on grease.

- With increasing subscriber base, overall network quality is being affected. Picture your regular 14 seater matatu now carrying 18 people - its getting uncomfortable and we subscribers no longer feel special and have nothing to gloat about in terms of network quality.

I predict in 3-4 months, this fairytale will read ..."Once upon a time, there was a chameleon...but alas, it is now no more. The end."

I urge Airtel subscribers to be VIGILANT - what you pay for voice, data and the various "promotions" should be what you get.

Perhaps we have been socially re-engineered by the recent EXTREMELY low tariffs not to notice we are paying more - perhaps more than before...



@Djinn

Very strong statement. I wonder how long it will take before the shareholders in india start grumpling on all the money going to "waste"?
You will know that you have arrived when money and time are not mutually exclusive "events" in you life!
Djinn
#9 Posted : Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:49:41 AM
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@XSK - thats the whole thing I mean about treating the Kenyan business environment - at what point to you decide to call it a night and leave the casino....then there's the allure that you just might hit the jackpot if you throw more good money away...

Thats I why feel in the next couple of months - which should be around one year after all this started to play out - we will know for sure whether they have put themselves on death row...

Djinn
#10 Posted : Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:02:25 AM
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And since I may not have time for further ripostes today, let me just say one thing: the green phoenix which seemed destined for the flames...will have its loyal customers to thank...and will cease to descend but rise up somewhat...it may not soar at 14 billion shs as before, but it will nonetheless remain in the sky....whereas the the red woodpecker might find the going hard making a hole in an old ebony tree...
McReggae
#11 Posted : Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:21:55 AM
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Djinn wrote:
And since I may not have time for further ripostes today, let me just say one thing: the green phoenix which seemed destined for the flames...will have its loyal customers to thank...and will cease to descend but rise up somewhat...it may not soar at 14 billion shs as before, but it will nonetheless remain in the sky....whereas the the red woodpecker might find the going hard making a hole in an old ebony tree...


coming from you.....Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
Gathige
#12 Posted : Wednesday, April 06, 2011 10:00:04 AM
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Djinn@ Add another one; Changing the name so many times until they have the brand is valueless. Let the " Kuhama Group" hama quickly and the Green network will serve us better!


"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
Djinn
#13 Posted : Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:06:51 AM
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McReggae wrote:
Djinn wrote:
And since I may not have time for further ripostes today, let me just say one thing: the green phoenix which seemed destined for the flames...will have its loyal customers to thank...and will cease to descend but rise up somewhat...it may not soar at 14 billion shs as before, but it will nonetheless remain in the sky....whereas the the red woodpecker might find the going hard making a hole in an old ebony tree...


coming from you.....Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause


smile Once upon a time, on the road to Damascus.....anyway, its a change of tune forced by circumstances and not convenience (like a certain "shuttle diplomacy politician" whom we all know...

Anyway, I'm possibly acquiring a taste for citrus fruits since the phoenix and woodpecker are out....the red and green cockatoo seems to be hanging from the branches of the great ebony tree and may very soon draw its last breath...
bwenyenye
#14 Posted : Wednesday, April 06, 2011 2:16:38 PM
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@Djinn,

The red team must have really pisssed you off dude!
I Think Therefore I Am
Wendz
#15 Posted : Wednesday, April 06, 2011 5:40:37 PM
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I said, if MJ was there, we'd be having a "mnahama mnaenda wapi?".... which would make sense to wahamaji sooner than later.

@Djinn
You cant compare yourself to shuttle diplomat.... yours is honesty... when things stop working and you call them as they are.....
aydenjason
#16 Posted : Wednesday, April 06, 2011 7:11:36 PM
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Hey djinn Its never wise to fork out misplaced opinions on such a serious forum. U mek me think of going thru all your contributions since u began your wazua a/c n search for smthn tht meks sense. Surely, A serious telecom user cnt call the care centre 200 times....heavens! U must b one of these 'know it all' PRANK CALLERS who bombard innocent CSEs with irrelevant arguments.
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Jus Blazin
#17 Posted : Wednesday, April 06, 2011 7:33:15 PM
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aydenjason wrote:
Hey djinn Its never wise to fork out misplaced opinions on such a serious forum. U mek me think of going thru all your contributions since u began your wazua a/c n search for smthn tht meks sense. Surely, A serious telecom user cnt call the care centre 200 times....heavens! U must b one of these 'know it all' PRANK CALLERS who bombard innocent CSEs with irrelevant arguments.

@ad*** (name too complicated like the user), you are an ASS. Anti-Safaricom Subscriber. Its so evident. Your hatred for the green behemoth (as seen in your 14 posts in wazua) makes you think an honest opinion is misplaced. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, based on the service they are getting. What is the need for customer care if you cant call it when you are in need??? BK!
Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you
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Iborian
#18 Posted : Wednesday, April 06, 2011 7:44:23 PM
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Like many Kenyans, I have an Airtel line along with a Safaricom and an Orange line.

I certainly enjoy calling my Airtel buddies at 1/=. Airtel has now declared that this is a permanent offer. Vuka was also permanent until it was quietly withdrawn.

I implore you all to enjoy the cheap call rates from Airtel to call other Airtel numbers.

They just might not be there for much longer.
Djinn
#19 Posted : Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:36:23 PM
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Jus Blazin wrote:
aydenjason wrote:
Hey djinn Its never wise to fork out misplaced opinions on such a serious forum. U mek me think of going thru all your contributions since u began your wazua a/c n search for smthn tht meks sense. Surely, A serious telecom user cnt call the care centre 200 times....heavens! U must b one of these 'know it all' PRANK CALLERS who bombard innocent CSEs with irrelevant arguments.

@ad*** (name too complicated like the user), you are an ASS. Anti-Safaricom Subscriber. Its so evident. Your hatred for the green behemoth (as seen in your 14 posts in wazua) makes you think an honest opinion is misplaced. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, based on the service they are getting. What is the need for customer care if you cant call it when you are in need??? BK!
Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you


@Jus Blazing Applause Behold the tuk tuk drivers that herald the unmaking of this forum! Don't be drawn down to those depths. Esp when one just joined today and whose maiden 14 posts are more like arthritic knee jerk reactions. Anyway, this should be as interesting as watching a puppy chase its tail.
Wendz
#20 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2011 8:00:39 AM
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aydenjason wrote:
Hey djinn Its never wise to fork out misplaced opinions on such a serious forum. U mek me think of going thru all your contributions since u began your wazua a/c n search for smthn tht meks sense. Surely, A serious telecom user cnt call the care centre 200 times....heavens! U must b one of these 'know it all' PRANK CALLERS who bombard innocent CSEs with irrelevant arguments.


By all means do.... go through them, but be on the lookout for soemthing that DOESNT make sense... You may want to know that @Djinn is one of the most respected members of this forum.... and in this forum, we respect each other's opinions. you may also actually want to know that @Djinn has been such a big supporter of Airtel all along... and you would even have picked that from his first sentence on the original post.... now, if you feel airtel is that good, you shouldn't be attacking @Djinn, you should be trying to understand why he has changed his stand... he might have genuine complaints. Complaints are not entirely bad for an organisation. Infact, they are the ones that build an organisation especially coming from diehard customers. However, if for some reason you are their PR specialist, then Airtel is doing so well that the sky is the limit...... before they blow themselves up!

and clearly, you are a newcomer....
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