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selah
#21 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2011 10:03:51 AM
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Mind you, I didnt say Raila is not a flip flopper I just agreed with his argument that PEV was in R.V preplanned and if anybody has anything or any evidence he was involved in planning those killings he is ready to face the courts.

Yes we might reason he is now saying that because he fell out with R.V MPs but he has a right to put the record straight.





'......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
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innairobi
#22 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2011 10:11:32 AM
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@Selah - You could be missing the point here.

The point is that not a long time ago, the PM wanted some young men released from Nakuru jails because they were "only fighting for their democratic rights".

He also believed that the Kiambaa church victims were attackers who were only getting what they deserved. http://www.youtube.com/w...mHmU&feature=relmfu

What has necessitated the about turn now?

But @McReggae may have accidentally summarized it...

McReggae wrote:
....there are elements of politics and elements of truth in every situation, then at the height of power struggle with ML, it was all systems go for political reasons!!!!



selah wrote:
I think his arguments are valid.when he called for mass action he was not aware of an ethnic cleansing plan hatched by his R.V colleagues.

He was used by them to mete their revenge on innocent pple.if you look at where the mass action was predominant those killed were mainly shot by the police but in Rift valley that thing was well planned just as the retaliatory attacks in naivasha limuru and nakuru were.

All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
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selah
#23 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2011 10:16:39 AM
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What Raila said should not be taken out of context.He said killing 1300 pple require planning and somebody should be held accountable.WHATS WRONG WITH THAT STATEMENT.

'......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
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ecstacy
#24 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2011 10:24:03 AM
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RAILA NOW : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4zDAbloZUY
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RAILA THEN http://www.youtube.com/w...mHmU&feature=relmfu

Try listen not just defend for defends sake. In the latter hardtalk:

Martha Karua clearly said: "It was systematic.."
Raila Odinga STATES AS A MATTER OF FACT: "Nothing could be further from the truth"

Now Raila agrees with Martha Karua?! The truth was farthest from his lie or misinformation.

I'm sorry to inform you, this man plainly just engages in lies or misinformation to get to power regardless of the huge negative implications it has for investors in this country.
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Njung'e
#25 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2011 10:29:02 AM
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@Selah,
Maybe someone is trying to prempt the repurcussions ODM minutes of Jan and Feb 08 which Ruto handed to LMO and where Kiambaa church attack organising might have been made???? plus a sworn affidavit by Ruto which he handed to LMO during his recent visit??....oh well!!....Not that i like any of this politicians but to be very honest,RAO is just being "clever"..
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hoodrat
#26 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2011 10:38:58 AM
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So whats the truth of the matter? Isn't use of militias,mungiki or better yet administration police planned and systematic.The PEV had victims from both sides of the divide.Politicians have and will always change their dance to suit the music playing.I believe there were spontaneous pockets of violence but most of it was planned and systematic!
Apparently there is nothing that cannot happen today!
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ecstacy
#27 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2011 10:53:27 AM
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hoodrat wrote:
So whats the truth of the matter? Isn't use of militias,mungiki or better yet administration police planned and systematic.The PEV had victims from both sides of the divide.Politicians have and will always change their dance to suit the music playing.I believe there were spontaneous pockets of violence but most of it was planned and systematic!


True. However you wonder why one of the principals was so quick to deny, deny, deny whilst as the BBC journalist reaction indicates, the info from R.V. was alluding to the obvious.

Karua: "There is nothing spontaneous about attacking members of one community"

BBC: "Powerful point she is making"

Only the guilty are afraid...
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innairobi
#28 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2011 11:03:49 AM
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@Selah - Wacha nijitolee mhanga kukusaidia kidogo Laughing out loudly

STATEMENT - Truth
STATEMENT-MAKER - Inconsistent

In other words, the facts have not changed - it is the PM that has moved from propagating fiction to presenting fact.

Why? We have just heard it was all systems go for political reasons.

Hiyo tu.

selah wrote:
What Raila said should not be taken out of context.He said killing 1300 pple require planning and somebody should be held accountable.WHATS WRONG WITH THAT STATEMENT.

All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
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aemathenge
#29 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2011 11:09:14 AM
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"it is good he was castrated otherwise, he would have sired very many liers which would be very badn for the country."

I take great exception to the words hereinabove and plead with Wazua Administrator to kindly delete the same.

Let me point out, however, that I do not hold brief for the Right Honourable Prime Minister.
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Lolest!
#30 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2011 11:15:24 AM
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aemathenge wrote:

I take great exception to the words hereinabove and plead with Wazua Administrator to kindly delete the same.

Let me point out, however, that I do not hold brief for the Right Honourable Prime Minister.

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