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gathiru
#61 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2011 11:26:04 AM
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Therefore BUY BUY accessk speculate with it .ha ha ha
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mlennyma
#62 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2011 11:47:16 AM
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You must at times learn to run opposite the crowds.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Iborian
#63 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2011 12:13:58 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
You must at times learn to run opposite the crowds.


Yeah, Yeah. But sometimes the crowd is right.
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For Sport
#64 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2011 2:15:18 PM
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Magnetic Touch wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
For Sport wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
May=1Kg, Might=6Kg, Shall=10Kg


d'oh! .................in english? please?

In your opinion AK may or might or shall make you money? smile choose one as u make a buy/sell decision.


You should add Will Not and give it a weight of 50 Kg, which I will vote for.


i'll second that..will not...
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KulaRaha
#65 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2011 2:22:31 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
You must at times learn to run opposite the crowds.


Especially when the crowd is throwing stones!
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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VituVingiSana
#66 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:20:22 PM
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AK can't compete against Safaricom [& Airtel is coming with their 3G] thus I see the only asset as the Metro Fibre...

The rest of the businesses are so-so...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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#67 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:23:37 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
You must at times learn to run opposite the crowds.

smile
This is just a hypothesis..n very selective in application..and not an investment maxim..

If you held on to this while QW was saying "BUY"..it was at 15.00..

it stuck between 13 and 14..guys piled on thinking it had bottomed out..arguing the same logic..

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You must at times learn to run opposite the crowds.


When actually does it CORRECTLY APPLY?
..I know of guys with KQ bought at 60-68 on its way down from 120...arguing
wrote:
KQ CANNOT GO ANY LOWER!!! smile


There are no guarantees.
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Cde Monomotapa
#68 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:12:26 PM
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For Sport wrote:
Magnetic Touch wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
For Sport wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
May=1Kg, Might=6Kg, Shall=10Kg


d'oh! .................in english? please?

In your opinion AK may or might or shall make you money? smile choose one as u make a buy/sell decision.


You should add Will Not and give it a weight of 50 Kg, which I will vote for.


i'll second that..will not...

Lol! I get U. Then let's make it simple and add a proviso of "none of the above=AVOID!"
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moneydust
#69 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:23:29 PM
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mkonomtupu wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Iam a buyer today to average my deep cuts.


Just let it go. once you are in a hole stop digging. Cut your losses



I second that sentiment Access is in a pretty precarious situation...it has fallen to all time lows thereby shattering your investment hopes...as it stands today there is more downside than upside. whichever the case u dont want to b wrong again.Like my case I have learnt to stay away from agriculturals inspite of how attractive their fundamentals sometimes look I reason a bird in hand is better than two in the bush
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For Sport
#70 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2011 5:04:58 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
You must at times learn to run opposite the crowds.


must also at times learn that when in a hole, one must stop digging
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Gatheuzi
#71 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2011 9:20:15 PM
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This averaging down hypthesis can't work with AK unless you are sure of a buy out. For now even a buy out will be heavily discounted - implying that the chances of recouping the original 33 Kes or so investment is close to nil.

My verdict - sell, book the loss and apply the proceeds to a more viable investment.
Time is money, so money is time. Money saved is time gained in reverse! Money stores your life’s energy. You expend your energy, get paid money, and store that money for a future purchase made in a currency.
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erifloss
#72 Posted : Friday, March 25, 2011 8:28:25 AM
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I've never been a proponent of averaging down investments, reasons being:
1. You only average down when a share is going down, the reasons making the share go down have not yet changed as you are averaging down & you are doing this on prospects & hope of which you are not sure will take place.
2. Opportunity cost. You very well know that another particular share is going to rise, why invest on a stalling share?
3. More dollar billionaires & millionaires came up during the recession, reason being they knew when to get out.
4. Inflation. With time my money is not growing to retain its value coz of investing on a stalling share. Why is the price of gold going up? Why is the Usd losing value?

The bottom line is we all invest to make money & whatever you hold is paper loss thus if you believe in the stock let the paper loss be that while it starts regaining & invest your extra cash on other investment vehicles or shares so as to retain your true value.
'They say money cannot buy me happiness but when i compare when i had none and now, i'm happier' Kevin O'leary
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the deal
#73 Posted : Friday, March 25, 2011 10:52:23 AM
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Share down to 8 bob...wanjiku getting screwed left and right...
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Iborian
#74 Posted : Friday, March 25, 2011 11:02:27 AM
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Mlennyma's prayers have been answered. I am sure he's loading up.
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jerry
#75 Posted : Friday, March 25, 2011 11:13:47 AM
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For Sport wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
You must at times learn to run opposite the crowds.


must also at times learn that when in a hole, one must stop digging

>>If you loan some1 cash and s/he is unable to repay you can either add her/him more cash or declare bad debt and move on.
The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
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#76 Posted : Friday, March 25, 2011 11:15:36 AM
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Gatheuzi wrote:
This averaging down hypthesis can't work with AK unless you are sure of a buy out.


I have never believed in that averaging down concept. If a value counter is
cheap, you buy because you know the value but not to help even out from making a loss. If the counter is suspect like AK is, don't buy even at 2/-, buy something else like KK and use it to "average" down. This is one concept that has been totally lost on me.

BBI will solve it :)
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ProverB
#77 Posted : Friday, March 25, 2011 12:14:56 PM
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the deal wrote:
Share down to 8 bob...wanjiku getting screwed left and right...


wanjiku mgani? wanjiku alianza biashara ya ma-plot za syokimau and kwingine.. Access was left when Safcom went "corporate" for their data products..
Debate on acces kufa-ing (Poleh Ms Kenya. smile ) has been around since fibre optic stated being hyped.. By that time stocks were scraping the floor and wanjiku was already burnt and gone.. plots were cheaper too!! smile
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the deal
#78 Posted : Friday, March 25, 2011 1:41:00 PM
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@Proverb hapana...wanjiku still in AK...LOL...this thread is a no fly zone.
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VituVingiSana
#79 Posted : Friday, March 25, 2011 4:29:05 PM
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2012 wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
This averaging down hypthesis can't work with AK unless you are sure of a buy out.


I have never believed in that averaging down concept. If a value counter is
cheap, you buy because you know the value but not to help even out from making a loss. If the counter is suspect like AK is, don't buy even at 2/-, buy something else like KK and use it to "average" down. This is one concept that has been totally lost on me.
Not lost on you... It just makes no sense!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Aguytrying
#80 Posted : Friday, March 25, 2011 5:43:24 PM
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The top three losers today are the black sheep of the nse. Access, everready, sameer. Wamejitokeza! Wonder how olympia was left out.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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