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co-op bank ipo prospectus
niando
#11 Posted : Friday, September 05, 2008 7:04:00 AM
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The fear among Sk members against this IPO points to an under-subscription.
I have now discovered the general behaviour pattern of Kenyans:
From the most optimistic people in the world 2002-to the most pessimistic 2008.

From most optimistic investors in may 2008(Safcom IPO) to the most pessimistic September 2008(Coop IPO.
(Look at the pre-safaricom posts at sk forum and then the co-op ones)

Lesson:

I will go with the herds this time,I will not buy the Coop IPO unless as Mainat has said there is restriction to the number of people who will be able to buy the shares the Acsess Kenya way .



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steve.m
#12 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:56:00 PM
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@All: Here is some constructive discussion some sk members engaged in [kwanza lawman] sometime back to help you in choosing whether to get in or not .

Me I`m not getting in I`ve made the decision based on the assumption th market will recover early next year and a comparison of the no of shares in other banks listed,captalization and their price and the likely price range of co-op post ipo.

Compare it and the rest like Lawman you will realize why it is good to be fearful.



Everybody has a plan `till they get hit -Mike Tyson
Pablo
#13 Posted : Friday, October 24, 2008 5:10:00 AM
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Ill have a look at the prospectus and if their earnings valuation makes sense I will dive in - head first. I will likely get 100% allocation by the look of the posts here.


Be greedy when others are fearful,be fearful when others are greedy.
mseiya
#14 Posted : Friday, October 24, 2008 7:39:00 AM
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@all

I guess most valuation of securities based on PE take mkt PE @20. Now my simple calculations show that at a price of KES 9.5 and half year profit at 1.7B. i.e 3.4B annualised. Assume an after tax profit of 2.5B. EPS would be 0.69. And the PE would stand at 13-14. Now thats not a bad buy. Hope to get 100% allocation guys and hold. That way on market recovery am sure to get a price of over 13 bob or more. Not sooo bad!

over to you guys


he who fights himself is a great man
The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But, unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do. - Warren Buffett

kingfisher
#15 Posted : Friday, October 24, 2008 8:04:00 AM
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niko ndani kwa hii IPO....kichwa,miguu,mikono++......i refused to participate in the safcom coz of large numbers....but 700m is not a big number for a bank like co-op.........so am in++

If you have money that you expect to start using in five years,it does not belong in stocks.
When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart.
steve.m
#16 Posted : Friday, October 24, 2008 8:04:00 AM
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@mseiya: Don`t forget the bear if on 22 dec the situation will be still the same it will only rise for a few weeks then drop below IPO price.

@kingfisher: The total shares are 3.6 billion not 700million,hizo zao bado ni nyingi just a few examples kcb got 2.2 billion shares and baclays 1.3 billion and by the way they will only be second to safcom in total number of shares among the listed companies at nse.

Everybody has a plan `till they get hit -Mike Tyson
Mali
#17 Posted : Friday, October 24, 2008 9:41:00 AM
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Closing remarks:
1.Let the IPO go on
2.Don't buy now nor in December
3. Wait for Jan after kids go back to skul.

4. BUY in Feb @ 2.5!

my 2 cents (sorry).

wish is yesterday,hope is tomorrow.. today we make or break!
Yawezekana
#18 Posted : Friday, October 24, 2008 10:04:00 AM
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Counters dorminated by retail investors starting with Safaricom are known to be non performers,will coop be different? 66% of the IPO shares goes to retail investors. I tend to believe those predicting lower than IPO price in January unless something good happens.With the current inflation,poor economic outlook,retail investors will be desperate to dispose their holdings to meet their school fees and other basic needs in January.

Its time to wake up young people -Lets invest
wathuku
#19 Posted : Friday, October 24, 2008 11:05:00 AM
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This is one IPO I like. The big brothers know that Kenyans are shying off from it. For those not buying lets talk after Obama's nomination (hope he sails through).

Am crossing my fingers for those millions. Our market does not respond to fundamentals,rather forces of dd and ss..... though we can debate about it........ but keep doing your calculations. A lot of retail investers dont care about P/E ratios etc.

That's why the rich will always dominate this market because they buy at a time like now,when everyone is cursing - they are laughing all the way. Then when the shares start appreciating they get out make their billions and leave you scrolling across trying to see how many cents you have gained. The rich donminate the BODs and guess what,they will always make favourable decisions for 'themselves'.

Anyone recalls the monkey story? Most of us are now acting like those villagers.

But lets see how much the monkey will fetch.


Better to work smart than work hard
ji
#20 Posted : Friday, October 24, 2008 11:47:00 AM
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I will be buying in to the offer.
Coop is a serious bank.....remember its is the duty of an intelligent investor to acquire good companies at discounted prices.

'I never see what has been done; I only see what remains to be done.'



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