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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2007 Posts: 2,067 Location: Lagos, Nigeria
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In a bull market like last year and Jan/Feb this year, there was a full house, but when unpredictable bear set in recently , not much is heard from the crop of intelligent analyst we have here Most of us (including myself) did not forsee this. The reason being that in stocks some events beyond our control can make the bear to rear its ugly head. Companies are returning salutory results with sound fundamentals but most of them are dropping beyond their fair value, others are just stabilizing below par. However you look at it stock prices are cyclical, there is always the party time and the dull moment. I learnt this hard fact in 2008 when I was putting all in my investment in one basket stocks. I have since adopted a balanced strategy in investing in different asset classes :- - Stocks, Real Estate, Fixed Income, Savings in foreign currency. This reduces my exposure to market turbulence. This reminds me of a friend who converted KSH 77 per 1 USD six months ago as a leverage, he decided to change from USD to Ksh at the current rate of 82+ and used that to buy some KPLC and KCB at the current discounted rate , he did not forsee that but when this opportunity becons, he took advantage. On the whole when the bulls return, the blue chips or I would I call foreigners or fund managers stocks are the ones to recover faster, and they still return salutory dividends. But be aware that the best time to invest is at times like this when most of us have pessimistic view of the market. But for your own interest let it be blue chips. You know them so I may not name all of them:- EABL,KCB,KPLC, ARM etc. The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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You couldn't be more right. Stocks alone is too risky. Now is when investors should be happy, but unfortunately, investors get happier when the market is going up, and they are buying at higher prices. The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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Just like the herding into some real estate. Paying 16M+ for a house in the sky?!?
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Rank: User Joined: 5/9/2010 Posts: 1,418 Location: Nai
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Well i think the writing was on the wall for those who cld see it. 1. there was diminishing volume on the nse but the index still maintained its 4600 mark and above in January. Key work there is diminishing volume. 2. there was the rising inflation that had started to creep in 3. we totally and i mean TOTALLY missed the january rally where investors take positions on stocks thus pushing them up in price 4 . All of the wazua gurus had predicted a bull this yr ( a since signal for contrarian strategy, lol) with all these signs ( and having personally seen them myself ) we still called for a bull coz the prospects of the year looked so gud... but i am still optimistic that the bull will return !!!!!!!! Your future depends on your dreams so go to sleep !
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/10/2007 Posts: 1,587
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The prices for most stocks are still looking cheap. What is not so clear is if inflation will persist. The response of foreign investors to the market will be key in determing how stocks will behave. Like Young said, one would go for blue chips.I will look at KCB, KPLC, EABL,COOP,MSC, ARM and CIC (over the counter).I will consider MSC due to current cheap price and their expansion programs.
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Rank: User Joined: 5/9/2010 Posts: 1,418 Location: Nai
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by the way kenya airways (KQ:KN) is doing a right issue . LIKE IT OR NOT , lol and they have a joint agreement with standard bank,( a friend of mine works there) so hold buying this share until the rights start trading and the price has a nice price floor... bytheway this is inside information... Your future depends on your dreams so go to sleep !
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,909 Location: nairobi
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Co-op bank is not a blue chip! COOP ABP 15.85; IMH ABP 35.55; KQ ABP 5.75; MTN ABP 5.20
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Rank: User Joined: 5/9/2010 Posts: 1,418 Location: Nai
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obiero wrote:Co-op bank is not a blue chip! its a colourless-chip Your future depends on your dreams so go to sleep !
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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PKoli wrote:The prices for most stocks are still looking cheap. What is not so clear is if inflation will persist. The response of foreign investors to the market will be key in determing how stocks will behave. Like Young said, one would go for blue chips.I will look at KCB, KPLC, EABL,COOP,MSC, ARM and CIC (over the counter).I will consider MSC due to current cheap price and their expansion programs. Inflation is here to stay even with rains and the GDP expansion story is just a story. With all those rosy prospects and many analysts calling for a bull to take NSE to 5000, well that's another sell signal. Too many bulls... Anyway, the important bull support level - 4000pts has been broken without a surge in volume from Mboys & foreigners. That means the Mboys see scope for further discount. I think NSE will spend most of the year between 3000 - 3700 range. Call me mad, but the signals are saying this. Keep your money for better lower prices for they shall come just like night and day...
Also keep an eye on the global markets. They are tired of going up...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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I see the bourse at 5000 by year end...look how foreigners have been quick on Safcom below 4 bob.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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qw25041985 wrote:obiero wrote:Co-op bank is not a blue chip! its a colourless-chip Its a green chip! LOL!!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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I have had it with this foreignor talk! Woo foreignr this foreignr that, NO! We should also build local investor awareness, participation & capacity! Wht r those so calld fund managers doing in Upperhill? forko jembe!
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/3/2011 Posts: 264 Location: Nairobi
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:I have had it with this foreignor talk! Woo foreignr this foreignr that, NO! We should also build local investor awareness, participation & capacity! Wht r those so calld fund managers doing in Upperhill? forko jembe! KABISA APO. but first lets soak up these stocks. by the time kina wanjiku realize whats up the portfolio should be looking quite hundsome.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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Muthawamunene wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:I have had it with this foreignor talk! Woo foreignr this foreignr that, NO! We should also build local investor awareness, participation & capacity! Wht r those so calld fund managers doing in Upperhill? forko jembe! KABISA APO. but first lets soak up these stocks. by the time kina wanjiku realize whats up the portfolio should be looking quite hundsome. Real talk!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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What to buy, when. That is the question. But as the index falls, if it will. It wont happen all at one. We may see some relief rallies like we've just experienced. I hope to take advantage of these, but only with speculative part of my portfolio. Is being all liquid, like gordon gekko proposed a good idea? Kinda risky if the index doesn't fall by much.... The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/9/2007 Posts: 288 Location: OZ
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It is completely insane to take a Mid/longterm positions currently in the stockmarket: Below are my reasons... - North Africa Crisis has damned the foreign investor confidence in Africa market..majority of hedge funds have hold back..reviewing their positions and portofolios.. - Famine / Drought situation in Kenya discourages comsumer spending and household expenses are sky rocketing. - Crude Oil effect...100% of Fuel imported..ripple effects??? - The Deflation of Kenya Shillings by CBK. - Endless Political bickering of political chiefs - ICC and Ocampo Effect.. - 2012 Political reallignment and political uncertainity..Kenyans are temporarly insane during this period. Guys, use stop loss to protect your gains and principal.. Enjoy trading... More monies, more problems...
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/9/2007 Posts: 288 Location: OZ
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:I have had it with this foreignor talk! Woo foreignr this foreignr that, NO! We should also build local investor awareness, participation & capacity! Wht r those so calld fund managers doing in Upperhill? forko jembe! The Kenya Budget is almost 1 Trillion, 60% of that monies is local revenues...At 5000 NSE Index (listed companies are worth more than 1 Trillion).. For NSE to have another bull rally...more than 300 billions fresh monies is needed.. Your guess is as good as mine...Foreign investors.have almost 65% control of market direction. :) :) More monies, more problems...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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With the construction boom & mortgage demand regardless of foreign investors, eyeing HFCK...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/21/2010 Posts: 514 Location: Nairobi
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Seles83 wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:I have had it with this foreignor talk! Woo foreignr this foreignr that, NO! We should also build local investor awareness, participation & capacity! Wht r those so calld fund managers doing in Upperhill? forko jembe! The Kenya Budget is almost 1 Trillion, 60% of that monies is local revenues...At 5000 NSE Index (listed companies are worth more than 1 Trillion).. For NSE to have another bull rally...more than 300 billions fresh monies is needed.. Your guess is as good as mine...Foreign investors.have almost 65% control of market direction. :) :) @Cde, i agree with you. Look at SA its churning out black dollar millionaires every other day the reason being that these guys are internally creating demand for their shares at the JSE in return foreigners are trooping in but not as the primary drivers. Guys should watch Wall street 2. Alot of lessons to be learnt. 'They say money cannot buy me happiness but when i compare when i had none and now, i'm happier' Kevin O'leary
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