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Making Kenya Ungovernable?
ecstacy
#1 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 12:35:30 PM
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Part of the defense put out by the major two players in the ICC list is that a trial in the Hague would result in instability within Kenya.

I find this to be in itself to possibly be a self serving prophesy.

I sure do hope Kenyans are a bit wiser when the time calls for it!
McReggae
#2 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 12:44:41 PM
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Source????
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selah
#3 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 1:06:30 PM
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in 2006 I thought kenya was mature democratically come 2007 well you know What happened.

When you hear them say that dont assume kenyans are intelligent you will be surprised how stupid most of us are.
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FancyFace
#4 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 1:58:42 PM
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selah wrote:
When you hear them say that dont assume kenyans are intelligent you will be surprised how stupid most of us are.


and worse still vote in the same mpigs back come 2012.Just like NS put it tribalism & sycophancy are ailing us terribly. Pray Pray

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TAZ
#5 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:04:38 PM
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I keep saying that some of the individuals in the Ocampo six might return to the country as national heroes just before the 2012 elections.

The Ocampo six have all indicated that they will honour summons to appear at the Hague....they all seem so confident.
nostoppingthis
#6 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:10:47 PM
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@Taz, they are actually so confident, mpaka now I'm doubting Ocammpo...assuming they return, who among them is best placed for presidency?
Snazzy
#7 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:11:01 PM
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@Taz ,some of them already are.Just take a look at the number of people clapping,ululations going on and cheers when some politician is spewing forth abuse against an opponent.
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McReggae
#8 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:30:20 PM
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Where some of you see confidence, I see panic and putting on of brave faces!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
Wendz
#9 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:33:16 PM
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nostoppingthis wrote:
@Taz, they are actually so confident, mpaka now I'm doubting Ocammpo...assuming they return, who among them is best placed for presidency?


If they return, and i have no one else to choose from except them, i will gladly deep fry my vote and munch it from the comfort of my couch..... and hopefully add some more weight!Sickamp; Sickamp;

@Mcrg.... We are sharing glasses...i see the same thing.... someone said, you cant trust a man who always smiles in the face of adversity.... you cant.. you shouldnt...
For Sport
#10 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 4:28:16 PM
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Wendz wrote:
nostoppingthis wrote:
@Taz, they are actually so confident, mpaka now I'm doubting Ocammpo...assuming they return, who among them is best placed for presidency?


If they return, and i have no one else to choose from except them, i will gladly deep fry my vote and munch it from the comfort of my couch..... and hopefully add some more weight!Sickamp; Sickamp;

@Mcrg.... We are sharing glasses...i see the same thing.... someone said, you cant trust a man who always smiles in the face of adversity.... you cant.. you shouldnt...


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly wouldnt waste my vote either - we can trade recipes
YesuWangu
#11 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 4:40:39 PM
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TAZ wrote:
I keep saying that some of the individuals in the Ocampo six might return to the country as national heroes just before the 2012 elections.

The Ocampo six have all indicated that they will honour summons to appear at the Hague....they all seem so confident.

come on! Dont you know that there are no guilty people in prison? That all of them are INNOCENT? take wendys advice. Run!
famooz
#12 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 5:23:10 PM
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None of them is my preferred presidential candidate so i am not looking at it from 2012 perspective.Neither do i take a harsh stance to say they should NOT come back,let justice be served and it could mean innocent or guilty.
KenyanLyrics
#13 Posted : Friday, March 11, 2011 1:17:35 AM
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nostoppingthis wrote:
@Taz, they are actually so confident, mpaka now I'm doubting

common court tactics to appeal to the judges on a basic emotional level
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assuming they return, who among them is best placed for presidency?

This is the kind of talk that makes you vote in the usual culprits time and again. The more you talk about them in light of 2012, the more you brand them as candidates, yet they have no right to be mentioned in the same sentence as the word 'president'
Wendz
#14 Posted : Friday, March 11, 2011 9:01:10 AM
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KenyanLyrics wrote:
nostoppingthis wrote:
@Taz, they are actually so confident, mpaka now I'm doubting

common court tactics to appeal to the judges on a basic emotional level
Quote:
assuming they return, who among them is best placed for presidency?

This is the kind of talk that makes you vote in the usual culprits time and again. The more you talk about them in light of 2012, the more you brand them as candidates, yet they have no right to be mentioned in the same sentence as the word 'president'.......


..........unless you are negating such a sentence...(am trying to completing your sentence incase they insist on using the two words together)
TAZ
#15 Posted : Friday, March 11, 2011 9:29:02 AM
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McReggae wrote:
Where some of you see confidence, I see panic and putting on of brave faces!!!


I totally disagree, this "panic" you are talking of is all about the 2012 elections and not what Ocampo has against the Ocampo six. I'm sorry but i don't share the optimism that some of you have, i can only see major problems in 2012.
Robinhood
#16 Posted : Friday, March 11, 2011 9:58:17 AM
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I think what they mean is that they will cause instability through their gangs. I hope the ICC interprets this correctly and keeps the idiots behind bars!
Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
ecstacy
#17 Posted : Friday, March 11, 2011 11:03:29 AM
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...What if WR's name is admitted on the Presidential ballot paper as he leads reconciliation efforts...and can only be removed if he is proven guilty of ICC charges?...sharks
sanity
#18 Posted : Friday, March 11, 2011 11:21:17 AM
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Our greatest problem is not even tribalism,its ignorance/Ujinga.Kenyans wako na ujinga mwingi sana.Even Mzee Jomo Kenyatta knew it in 1963 when he said our greatest enemies were Poverty,Ujinga na.....cant remember the other one.But It seems like this ignorance/Ujinga has been our main problem all along....On another note as we talk of 2012 elections,I agree with Mutual Kilonzo..going by the current trend it is very unlikey that we shall have elections next year.There seems to be no urgency in creating the necessary laws etc etc
Hope is not a strategy
sanity
#19 Posted : Friday, March 11, 2011 11:23:32 AM
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Our greatest problem is not even tribalism,its ignorance/Ujinga.Kenyans wako na ujinga mwingi sana.Even Mzee Jomo Kenyatta knew it in 1963 when he said our greatest enemies were Poverty,Ujinga na.....cant remember the other one.But It seems like this ignorance/Ujinga has been our main problem all along....On another note as we talk of 2012 elections,I agree with Mutual Kilonzo..going by the current trend it is very unlikey that we shall have elections next year.There seems to be no urgency in creating the necessary laws etc etc
Hope is not a strategy
Genghis Khan
#20 Posted : Friday, March 11, 2011 1:04:00 PM
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I have come to the conclusion that Executive GOK has gone rogue...
The purpose of Parliament is to Represent, Legislate and Oversee GOK...
The recent words and actions of these two arms have deviated very far from and with total disregard to popular opinion & the country's interest. All our senior politicians (and their allies) have only one thing in common... protecting number one.

Kalonzo is on a misguided mission and is ironically probably the one with the least to gain from his own actions. Insights on his thought process from wikileaks lead me to think that he once again thinks that he stands the best chance in 2012.
Plan of action: Save (or seem to try saving) UK & WR who will not be (easily if at all) directly electable... get "Mt. Kenya" and "Rift Valley" support / loyalty / gratitude... get Kibaki endorsement...get elected. The flaw in this one dimensional train of thought is that Kibaki, Raila & Ruto are fabulously cunning. I am almost sorry for Kalonzo.

Raila no longer has the balls / inclination to fight aggressively and is just paying lip service to the Hague process probably for political mileage in Kenya & in the USGov. He has lost my respect for this and maybe my vote in 2012.

Kibaki is too smart for me to understand completely. I suspect he wants to delay the August elections... no county budgets... no new county voter registers... no county based electorate... no elections... we wait as we set up "structures" of the new GOK... kazi iendelee. He may also be feeling guilty about 2008 and may want to save Mr. Muthaura if no one else.

These six of our brothers must pay and must be taken as an example so that at no other time will 1,000 Kenyans lose their lives so easily and unnecesarily.

I hold Ali less responsible than the rest... 3 years in Maximum Security at least (if found guilty)... The rest should do at least 10 years each(of course if found guilty).

Lastly, Kenya is not a Sovereign State as Kalonzo keeps singing. If it was he wouldnt be wasting our millions and his breadth on wazungus.

Kenya is not a Sovereign State, right now Kenya is hostage to:
1. The ICC judges and the Hague process (thank God),
2. A select few western "allies" in the UN (why????),
3. And worst of all our very own "disputedly elected and negotiated GOK" which in my opinion in very much unpatriotic.
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