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Bargains to buy from tomorrow???
mwanahisa
#41 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 3:25:42 PM
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@SPT, I am like a kid in a candy shop. I expected to buy little by little all the way through March, but at the rate I started today, my money wont last long. I can only be able to buy for 2 or 3 more sessions, but then I can sell off some of my blue chips!!!
VituVingiSana
#42 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 3:30:47 PM
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mwanahisa wrote:
Been quite a day at the races (mart). Managed to pick up KPLC @ 20
jealous! I tried lakini the price was already up by 50 cents!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
mwanahisa
#43 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 3:38:04 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
mwanahisa wrote:
Been quite a day at the races (mart). Managed to pick up KPLC @ 20
jealous! I tried lakini the price was already up by 50 cents!


There is always tomorrow. As someone has pointed out elsewhere, today the NSE may be down by over 100 points with the NSE falling below the key 4,000 points mark!!!
young
#44 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 3:59:18 PM
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Two things

(1) in stocks one should not depend on one stock exchange alone. As we are lamenting there is bullish run on petroleum stocks in US, Canada and Hong kong markets !!!



(ii) One should not depend only on stocks for a living as there are many things beyond our control besides the basic fundamentals.



The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
jawz1
#45 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 4:01:28 PM
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mwanahisa wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
mwanahisa wrote:
Been quite a day at the races (mart). Managed to pick up KPLC @ 20
jealous! I tried lakini the price was already up by 50 cents!


There is always tomorrow. As someone has pointed out elsewhere, today the NSE may be down by over 100 points with the NSE falling below the key 4,000 points mark!!!

Finally did that by dropping like a dead bird down 113.88 points to close at 3915.01
"When the pupil is ready to learn, a teacher will appear." -- Zen proverb
mwanahisa
#46 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 4:21:17 PM
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YES INDEED - Over a 100 points down as anticipated. This is likely to spur the market down even further as it is bound to have a major psychological impact. However, this is the time to be contrarian!

Let's see where tomorrow takes us.
mkonomtupu
#47 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 4:27:48 PM
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what a ride down. I rushed to the brokers to put in cash for bargain hunting from end of next week. Tomorrow the index will be down maybe 60 points.
jerry
#48 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 4:50:01 PM
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mkonomtupu wrote:
what a ride down. I rushed to the brokers to put in cash for bargain hunting from end of next week. Tomorrow the index will be down maybe 60 points.

I think we need a political intervention to reverse the trend.
The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
qw25041985
#49 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 6:23:36 PM
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I really dnt understand some of you guyz. The index just closed below the 4000 mark and some of you are buyin stocks .in the name of bargain hunting... surely !!!!!!!!!!!!! this index has some more falling to do . so you better just sit on cash intil a better time to buy comes up...
Please dnt throw away money in the name of investing....
Your future depends on your dreams so go to sleep !
Muthawamunene
#50 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 6:24:23 PM
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Impunity wrote:
Disposed of my Kenya-Re pains at 14% loss,waiting to join Kengen/KPLC at the next "available" station.
smile

nangoja kengen like a dog heat! if we can get below 10 bob, i swear i will sell my clothes for cash.
mwanahisa
#51 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 6:37:04 PM
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Impunity wrote:
Disposed of my Kenya-Re pains at 14% loss,waiting to join Kengen/KPLC at the next "available" station.
smile


Looks like I bought your KenRe. Got about 20K at an average price of 9.20. I trust this purchase will not prove to be one of those I will forever curse, but I will "eat" my 50 cents dividend, while I await a BLACK (just couldn't bring myself to say White) knight to rescue this dog of a share.
mwanahisa
#52 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 6:44:28 PM
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qw25041985 wrote:
I really dnt understand some of you guyz. The index just closed below the 4000 mark and some of you are buyin stocks .in the name of bargain hunting... surely !!!!!!!!!!!!! this index has some more falling to do . so you better just sit on cash intil a better time to buy comes up...
Please dnt throw away money in the name of investing....


QW, I had managed to offload a nice chunk of shares and I am deploying some of the cash. I will probably have exhausted it by the time we get down to the 3500 level. If we get to 3000, I will be selling some parcels of land to BUY MORE shares and perchance if we sink further, I will be seeking all the leverage that I can get.

What I will not do, is to wait for everyone to start buying so that I can get in. It's my money after all and if I am to lose it, that will be my concern.
qw25041985
#53 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 7:05:47 PM
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mwanahisa wrote:
qw25041985 wrote:
I really dnt understand some of you guyz. The index just closed below the 4000 mark and some of you are buyin stocks .in the name of bargain hunting... surely !!!!!!!!!!!!! this index has some more falling to do . so you better just sit on cash intil a better time to buy comes up...
Please dnt throw away money in the name of investing....


QW, I had managed to offload a nice chunk of shares and I am deploying some of the cash. I will probably have exhausted it by the time we get down to the 3500 level. If we get to 3000, I will be selling some parcels of land to BUY MORE shares and perchance if we sink further, I will be seeking all the leverage that I can get.

What I will not do, is to wait for everyone to start buying so that I can get in. It's my money after all and if I am to lose it, that will be my concern.


that statement is very careless statement from a serious investor like you....Okay then you go ahead and buy NOW. Maybe some of us will learn from your mistake...
Just because prices hare low doesnot mewan that they cannot get any lower....
I donot know what the rush is for.
Your future depends on your dreams so go to sleep !
r&r
#54 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:09:14 PM
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hey am amazed by the fact that we all ignored that guy who predicted this would happen to this stocks remember this post. i guess from today onwards i will stop using emotion when buying stocks.


DEAR FRIENDS,

I BELIEVE THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE SOLD BEFORE 15TH DECEMBER. ONE CAN TAKE UPTO 5% LOSS IF HE HAS TO. THEN I WILL TELL YOU WHICH STOCKS TO BUY FOR THE NEXT PERIOD. THESE ARE:-

1. KPLC - ANYWAY I AM SURE YOU WILL GET SOMETHING FROM IT BUT SELL IT ON MONDAY @22.5 OR 24 BEFORE THE CLOSURE OF THAT DAY. AND @20.5 - 21 ON TUESDAY. BEFORE IT GOES BELOW 19.5.

2. MARSHALL @14.00 PLS PLS PLS SELL IT NOW TO AVOID HEAVY LOSS.

3. CAR & GENERAL @45

4. EAST AFRICAN CABLES @15.5 OR 16.5

5. ACCESS KENYA @15 OR 16 PLS PLS SELL THIS.

6. KENGEN 16.5 OR 17

7. TOTAL @29 OR 29.5

8. CROWN BERGER @32 BEFORE IT REACHES 30/- PLS SELL THIS.

I WILL TELL YOU WHAT TO BUY AND AT WHAT PRICE BY 20TH DECEMBER 2010. KEEP YOU MONEY CLOSE FOR THE BUY. AND WE SHOULD MAKE SOME PROFIT BY FEBRUARY-MARCH.

CHEERS!



qw25041985
#55 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:21:19 PM
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r&r wrote:
hey am amazed by the fact that we all ignored that guy who predicted this would happen to this stocks remember this post. i guess from today onwards i will stop using emotion when buying stocks.


DEAR FRIENDS,

I BELIEVE THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE SOLD BEFORE 15TH DECEMBER. ONE CAN TAKE UPTO 5% LOSS IF HE HAS TO. THEN I WILL TELL YOU WHICH STOCKS TO BUY FOR THE NEXT PERIOD. THESE ARE:-

1. KPLC - ANYWAY I AM SURE YOU WILL GET SOMETHING FROM IT BUT SELL IT ON MONDAY @22.5 OR 24 BEFORE THE CLOSURE OF THAT DAY. AND @20.5 - 21 ON TUESDAY. BEFORE IT GOES BELOW 19.5.

2. MARSHALL @14.00 PLS PLS PLS SELL IT NOW TO AVOID HEAVY LOSS.

3. CAR & GENERAL @45

4. EAST AFRICAN CABLES @15.5 OR 16.5

5. ACCESS KENYA @15 OR 16 PLS PLS SELL THIS.

6. KENGEN 16.5 OR 17

7. TOTAL @29 OR 29.5

8. CROWN BERGER @32 BEFORE IT REACHES 30/- PLS SELL THIS.

I WILL TELL YOU WHAT TO BUY AND AT WHAT PRICE BY 20TH DECEMBER 2010. KEEP YOU MONEY CLOSE FOR THE BUY. AND WE SHOULD MAKE SOME PROFIT BY FEBRUARY-MARCH.

CHEERS!






WOW !!!!!!!!!!! where the heck is this dude now.....He was very right about Access Kenya .....BUT about making money by feb-march..........uuuuuuuhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!! No No not really.
Your future depends on your dreams so go to sleep !
qw25041985
#56 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:23:14 PM
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young wrote:
Two things

(1) in stocks one should not depend on one stock exchange alone. As we are lamenting there is bullish run on petroleum stocks in US, Canada and Hong kong markets !!!



(ii) One should not depend only on stocks for a living as there are many things beyond our control besides the basic fundamentals.





WOW . is that possible....??????
Your future depends on your dreams so go to sleep !
mwanahisa
#57 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 9:32:33 PM
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@QW, I never said that prices cannot get any lower and most likely they will fall further especially after the drop of the index below 4,000. Nonetheless, the reality is that assuming companies can at least maintain their 2010 level of earnings then current valuations FOR MANY COMPANIES are not stretched.

Should I wait before buying the likes of KCB @ 21.25,KPLC @ 20 AND KenRe @ 9.20? Maybe, but as we never know WHEN AND AT WHAT PRICES these stocks are going to bottom out, my view is that indeed I should start buying them now and buy progressively more as the prices fall. Note all these shares have low P/B & Low PE ratios and high profit growth (except for KenRe which however is trading at at 60% of its 2009 NAV) and high dividend yields. So if they bomb, I will at least have some dividends to keep me going while I wait for the upturn.

On the other hand, I sold HFCK at a price of 29.50-30, Equity Bank @ 28.75 - 29 and MSC at 12 - 14.50. Why should I not start buying back these shares at levels where they are at least 20% lower (in the case of Equity) or upto 50% in the case of MSC whereas company fundamentals have not changed markedly for the worse? Admittedly the overall environment may have changed but the market is fickle and can change for the better just as easily as it plunges downwards.

I am just emphasizing that I appreciate the risk that I am taking and I am ready to pay the consequences. If indeed my stance backfires then indeed you will learn from my mistakes. DISCLAIMER: THIS IS A RISKY STRATEGY AND MAY NOT BE SUITABLE FOR ALL INVESTORS WHO MAY HAVE NO FALLBACK OPTIONS.
VituVingiSana
#58 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 10:12:06 PM
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LOL... Why do we go over this again & again???

Anyway, I love the low PEs but I wish I had more cash!!! These are low PERs & P/B just as @mwanahisa points out! Even with no or modest growth the prices are very attractive...!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
mwanahisa
#59 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 10:45:13 PM
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@r&r. I think it all depends on the stance one takes on their stock portfolio. If one manages their portfolio actively, you will see that you could have profited by NOT SELLING when YBC urged all to throw caution to the wind and SELL. I will demonstrate that you could have sold at different times and prices from what YBC suggested and made money. Read on:

r&r wrote:
hey am amazed by the fact that we all ignored that guy who predicted this would happen to this stocks remember this post. i guess from today onwards i will stop using emotion when buying stocks.


DEAR FRIENDS,

I BELIEVE THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE SOLD BEFORE 15TH DECEMBER. ONE CAN TAKE UPTO 5% LOSS IF HE HAS TO. THEN I WILL TELL YOU WHICH STOCKS TO BUY FOR THE NEXT PERIOD. THESE ARE:-

1. KPLC - ANYWAY I AM SURE YOU WILL GET SOMETHING FROM IT BUT SELL IT ON MONDAY @22.5 OR 24 BEFORE THE CLOSURE OF THAT DAY. AND @20.5 - 21 ON TUESDAY. BEFORE IT GOES BELOW 19.5. Share has not gone below 19.50 to date. If you sold as suggested, you will be 10% or so up on today's price. On the other hand if you bought into the rights at 19.50, you could have sold the rights issue shares at upto Kshs 24.50. Assuming you only managed 23.50 that would have been a 20% gain.

2. MARSHALL @14.00 PLS PLS PLS SELL IT NOW TO AVOID HEAVY LOSS. Hardly anyone on Wazua has this on their portfolio, so not really worth a mention. Price today was 14.15, so no change.
3. CAR & GENERAL @45. The share rose to a high of 68 following the release of 2010 results. It traded today at 40.50 but still has a 50% bonus. Selling at 45 would have robbed one of at least a 33% upside assuming one sold at 60 or is still holding.

4. EAST AFRICAN CABLES @15.5 OR 16.5. Traded at a high of 22 or so following release of results. Average price today was 19. One would have lost an opportunity to make between 15 - 25% by selling at YBC's behest.

5. ACCESS KENYA @15 OR 16 PLS PLS SELL THIS. At an average selling price of 15.50, one would have saved 42%.

6. KENGEN 16.5 OR 17. Selling at an average of 16.75 would have saved 23% on the basis of today's price of 12.90.

7. TOTAL @29 OR 29.5. Price today is 28, hence would have saved 4.5%.

8. CROWN BERGER @32 BEFORE IT REACHES 30/- PLS SELL THIS. Price today was 30.50. Yesterday, it was 33. In between the price has hit alevel of 35+. On the basis of today's price would have saved 4.9%.

I WILL TELL YOU WHAT TO BUY AND AT WHAT PRICE BY 20TH DECEMBER 2010. KEEP YOU MONEY CLOSE FOR THE BUY(He never did come up with any buy picks, so the point is moot). AND WE SHOULD MAKE SOME PROFIT BY FEBRUARY-MARCH.

CHEERS!





CONCLUSION: YBC was essentially right on 2 of his 8 sells. As a passive investor, following his advice would have saved you from losses on KenGen and Access Kenya. However, if you are a keen reader of Wazua you would most likely have jumped ship from a "no hoper" stock like Access Kenya well before it got to today's level. I also suspect that AK is a very small part of the portfolios of those who have it. You might also have possibly exited KenGen at a higher price than that seen today. BOTTOMLINE is to be more nimble in your investing approach not necessarily to follow advice from such folks as YBC and myself.
VituVingiSana
#60 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 11:13:29 PM
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@mwanahisa - Nice done... I have lost patience with folks like those...

As for Marshalls - very few shareholders on the register & even then very few shares held by Wazuans...

If not for the pattni-somaia scam artists, they have some nice properties...

There is Marshalls House on Koinange Street which can be converted into a a high-rise [like buildings around it] or sold for a great price to KeMU or those new universities! I think a hotel would be great there. Easy access to the highway + university. Norfolk & Lillian Towers is not far away...

Also it owns 50% of AVA with 20 [or more] acres in Changamwe...
Plus it owns the HQ on Kampala Rd...
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