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VituVingiSana
#16 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:54:35 AM
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@govmusili - This will separate the men from the boys!
Not good but if airline travel slacks off then the prices will start falling for Jet-A1 [Some airlines are testing alternates]
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
ecstacy
#17 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:54:49 AM
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Decided to double my KQ holding at current prices.
ProverB
#18 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 11:50:19 AM
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ecstacy wrote:
Decided to double my KQ holding at current prices.


?? Based on what? Results release is in the first week of june.

...allow my flash back..to june 2010..

..forgive me.. just bored.. smile
ProverB wrote:
understanding Kenya Airways?
..comparing 2010 to 2009
Average Price March 2010 Kshs 58.50
Revenues 2010 Kshs 70,743,000,000
Revenue Growth -1.51%
Price-to-sales March 2010 0.38
Operating Income Growth -54.50
Operating Margin 2010 2.60
Operating Margin 2009 5.63
PBT Growth (paper loss in 09) -147.16%
PBT Margin 2010 3.78
PAT Growth 2010 -149.84
ROE (Return on Equity) 10.96
ROCE(Return on Capital Employed) 2.78
P/E @ price of 58.50 13.33
Price to Book 1.46
Div Yield 1.71

before i buy, i ensure;
1. Financial Statements;
*Revenues are growing over time
*Profits are increasing (operating, before tax, and after tax) and better than peers//and atleast 3 year improving averages
*Improving Profit margins over 3 years
*Profits as percentage of Assets, Shareholders’ equity better than that of peers..ROA and ROE and ROCE..higher than 15%..over three years


2. Investment Valuation
*Low price-to-sales ratio (PSR); preferably below 1..but compared to peers
*Low Price-to-Earnings (P/E) ratio
*Low price-to-book value especially if company is heavily reliant on physical assets e.g. manufacturing companies or companies operating within heavy capitalization industries.


3. Technical analysis
*Share is liquid enough to be easily available or easily sold but also scarce enough to prevent value dilution.
*Demand and supply volumes during trading periods.


That said... kq is nice to speculate..nice for really longterm..like retirement for 20 something year old.. but for watu small longterm window..miaka mbili au tatu..i think there are better opportunities elsewhere.

Bored. Eh?


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ecstacy
#19 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 2:24:29 PM
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ProverB wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
Decided to double my KQ holding at current prices.


?? Based on what? Results release is in the first week of june.

...allow my flash back..to june 2010..

..forgive me.. just bored.. smile
ProverB wrote:
understanding Kenya Airways?
..comparing 2010 to 2009
Average Price March 2010 Kshs 58.50
Revenues 2010 Kshs 70,743,000,000
Revenue Growth -1.51%
Price-to-sales March 2010 0.38
Operating Income Growth -54.50
Operating Margin 2010 2.60
Operating Margin 2009 5.63
PBT Growth (paper loss in 09) -147.16%
PBT Margin 2010 3.78
PAT Growth 2010 -149.84
ROE (Return on Equity) 10.96
ROCE(Return on Capital Employed) 2.78
P/E @ price of 58.50 13.33
Price to Book 1.46
Div Yield 1.71

before i buy, i ensure;
1. Financial Statements;
*Revenues are growing over time
*Profits are increasing (operating, before tax, and after tax) and better than peers//and atleast 3 year improving averages
*Improving Profit margins over 3 years
*Profits as percentage of Assets, Shareholders’ equity better than that of peers..ROA and ROE and ROCE..higher than 15%..over three years


2. Investment Valuation
*Low price-to-sales ratio (PSR); preferably below 1..but compared to peers
*Low Price-to-Earnings (P/E) ratio
*Low price-to-book value especially if company is heavily reliant on physical assets e.g. manufacturing companies or companies operating within heavy capitalization industries.


3. Technical analysis
*Share is liquid enough to be easily available or easily sold but also scarce enough to prevent value dilution.
*Demand and supply volumes during trading periods.


That said... kq is nice to speculate..nice for really longterm..like retirement for 20 something year old.. but for watu small longterm window..miaka mbili au tatu..i think there are better opportunities elsewhere.

Bored. Eh?




Taking advantage of possible share upward mobility to cost average.
Aguytrying
#20 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 4:10:25 PM
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@proverb. wow You just us how to value a company. @vvs. I like the way you focus on the business and not the share price. True value investing....im done praising u on this, its just impressing to read about it n see someone actually practising value investing diligently.
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mufasa
#21 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 5:25:46 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
@vvs. I like the way you focus on the business and not the share price. True value investing....


you know, this could be VVS's achilles tendon. I trust statistics more. these corporate heads always play with figures and release fictitious info for public digestionShame on you Liar
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mwanahisa
#22 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 5:44:28 PM
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@ProverB, Very insightful analysis!Applause

I hold KQ but I must admit it is one of the shares in my portfolio that keep my adrenalin pumping, not always in a positive manner.

I have been pretty happy to keep holding it and I would have considered adding at current prices. But given recent events, I am more inclined to sell (even if I will have to take a loss).

With increasing oil prices I am rather uncertain on the direction that air travel will be taking.KQ got bloodied when oil prices last spiked and then dramatically fell. During the last Investor briefing, TN indicated that they had learnt from their mistake(s) and hence would consequently only enter into shorter duration hedges and of lower proportions (or something like that). I am therefore guessing that quite a huge proportion of their fuel needs are unhedged and if the oil prices continue to ramp up, that will only make things worse for them.

In the H1 results, KQ also had a substantial (unrealised) loss on currency hedges. I have never managed to find out exactly what this was about, so I do not know what the likelihood of realization or otherwise was (is). Perhaps someone (VVS et al) can give us the lowdown on this.

To cloud matters even more is the impending capital raising. Like most airlines, KQ is heavily indebted and I am wagering that they will not want to increase their liabilities by taking on more debt by issuing a bond if they can avoid it. I am therefore expecting a rights issue which under present circumstances would only serve to bring down the stock price. Companies that have had substantial rights issues in the recent past have all had their stock prices pummelled in the runup to the rights e.g. KCB & KPLC. KQ is unlikely to be an exception, if it does indeed go for a rights issue.

Given the above reasons, I am therefore quite bearish. However, I would buy the rights in the market if that comes to pass as I believe they will be at a discount.
VituVingiSana
#23 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:57:41 PM
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mufasa wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@vvs. I like the way you focus on the business and not the share price. True value investing....


you know, this could be VVS's achilles tendon. I trust statistics more. these corporate heads always play with figures and release fictitious info for public digestionShame on you Liar
Well, the 'low' share price is sorta (psychologically) hurting me. It does not matter how much I like KQ's [or KK's or Unga's] prospects... I do not have unlimited cash. I invest what I can but not enough [i.e. if I had more cash I would buy more].

As for its prospects? I think they remain good based on AFRICA demand even with higher fuel prices. I just saw a Summer schedule & KQ is increasing flights to lot of destinations [I think they will receive another plane an E-190]

But I am buying more. Just spoilt for choice with the little cash I have left!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Aguytrying
#24 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:57:56 PM
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mufasa wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@vvs. I like the way you focus on the business and not the share price. True value investing....


you know, this could be VVS's achilles tendon. I trust statistics more. these corporate heads always play with figures and release fictitious info for public digestionShame on you Liar

it depends if u are a speculator or investor. Concentrating on the share price n not the business will mislead you, cause the share price is merely a result of the market voting. We have to trust company info, because we trust c.m.a is doing its regulating job. If not we have no business investing in the n.se in the first place.
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VituVingiSana
#25 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:01:31 PM
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@mwanahisa - If they do a Rights Issue, that can drag the price down. Double edged sword. I will only participate if they can prove a minimum ROE on invested cash of 15%+ [why bother otherwise when T-Bonds give me 13% risk-free?]

For an airline, KQ is not that heavily indebted & a tranched Bond [not a single Bond like KenGen's PIBO] makes more sense for them vs a Rights Issue [see KPLC. All the cash but it hurts EPS when it sits as cash]

I might be biased coz as a KQ customer on regional flights I see how they dominate. 4x daily to Entebbe. Only airline from Kenya/EA [except ET] that flies to many Africa cities.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
youcan'tstopusnow
#26 Posted : Friday, March 04, 2011 9:50:18 AM
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VituVingiSana
#27 Posted : Friday, March 04, 2011 10:10:18 AM
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I love wikileaks!

- I have not read the original cable but seems KQ is pissed that Delta wanted Nairobi-USA all from themselves unlike the JV that KQ has with KLM.

It is time for someone [if not KQ] to open direct flights from Nairobi to USA. Why go through Europe & pay all those fees? Plus much shorter flights. KQ needs to grow up.

If Delta is successful then learn from them & start flying to USA [lots of Kenyans in New Jersey & Texas]
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#28 Posted : Sunday, March 06, 2011 11:47:05 PM
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Local/regional airlines are screwed...
http://www.businessdaily...-/11d1qnqz/-/index.html

KQ will suffer but manage to survive in the domestic market as long as it keeps the planes full [& increases fuel surcharges] but the smaller airlines are cooked coz they have little connecting traffic...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
invest0r
#29 Posted : Tuesday, March 08, 2011 10:07:10 AM
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now at 38 and looks like its headed to 37 by end of today. how far south could this stock go? at what price is this share worth a speculative play?
Pierce
#30 Posted : Tuesday, March 08, 2011 10:25:53 AM
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Ngai fafa!
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