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Time to enter KQ?
mufasa
#21 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 5:25:46 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
@vvs. I like the way you focus on the business and not the share price. True value investing....


you know, this could be VVS's achilles tendon. I trust statistics more. these corporate heads always play with figures and release fictitious info for public digestionShame on you Liar
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mwanahisa
#22 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 5:44:28 PM
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@ProverB, Very insightful analysis!Applause

I hold KQ but I must admit it is one of the shares in my portfolio that keep my adrenalin pumping, not always in a positive manner.

I have been pretty happy to keep holding it and I would have considered adding at current prices. But given recent events, I am more inclined to sell (even if I will have to take a loss).

With increasing oil prices I am rather uncertain on the direction that air travel will be taking.KQ got bloodied when oil prices last spiked and then dramatically fell. During the last Investor briefing, TN indicated that they had learnt from their mistake(s) and hence would consequently only enter into shorter duration hedges and of lower proportions (or something like that). I am therefore guessing that quite a huge proportion of their fuel needs are unhedged and if the oil prices continue to ramp up, that will only make things worse for them.

In the H1 results, KQ also had a substantial (unrealised) loss on currency hedges. I have never managed to find out exactly what this was about, so I do not know what the likelihood of realization or otherwise was (is). Perhaps someone (VVS et al) can give us the lowdown on this.

To cloud matters even more is the impending capital raising. Like most airlines, KQ is heavily indebted and I am wagering that they will not want to increase their liabilities by taking on more debt by issuing a bond if they can avoid it. I am therefore expecting a rights issue which under present circumstances would only serve to bring down the stock price. Companies that have had substantial rights issues in the recent past have all had their stock prices pummelled in the runup to the rights e.g. KCB & KPLC. KQ is unlikely to be an exception, if it does indeed go for a rights issue.

Given the above reasons, I am therefore quite bearish. However, I would buy the rights in the market if that comes to pass as I believe they will be at a discount.
VituVingiSana
#23 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:57:41 PM
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mufasa wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@vvs. I like the way you focus on the business and not the share price. True value investing....


you know, this could be VVS's achilles tendon. I trust statistics more. these corporate heads always play with figures and release fictitious info for public digestionShame on you Liar
Well, the 'low' share price is sorta (psychologically) hurting me. It does not matter how much I like KQ's [or KK's or Unga's] prospects... I do not have unlimited cash. I invest what I can but not enough [i.e. if I had more cash I would buy more].

As for its prospects? I think they remain good based on AFRICA demand even with higher fuel prices. I just saw a Summer schedule & KQ is increasing flights to lot of destinations [I think they will receive another plane an E-190]

But I am buying more. Just spoilt for choice with the little cash I have left!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Aguytrying
#24 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:57:56 PM
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mufasa wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@vvs. I like the way you focus on the business and not the share price. True value investing....


you know, this could be VVS's achilles tendon. I trust statistics more. these corporate heads always play with figures and release fictitious info for public digestionShame on you Liar

it depends if u are a speculator or investor. Concentrating on the share price n not the business will mislead you, cause the share price is merely a result of the market voting. We have to trust company info, because we trust c.m.a is doing its regulating job. If not we have no business investing in the n.se in the first place.
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VituVingiSana
#25 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:01:31 PM
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@mwanahisa - If they do a Rights Issue, that can drag the price down. Double edged sword. I will only participate if they can prove a minimum ROE on invested cash of 15%+ [why bother otherwise when T-Bonds give me 13% risk-free?]

For an airline, KQ is not that heavily indebted & a tranched Bond [not a single Bond like KenGen's PIBO] makes more sense for them vs a Rights Issue [see KPLC. All the cash but it hurts EPS when it sits as cash]

I might be biased coz as a KQ customer on regional flights I see how they dominate. 4x daily to Entebbe. Only airline from Kenya/EA [except ET] that flies to many Africa cities.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
youcan'tstopusnow
#26 Posted : Friday, March 04, 2011 9:50:18 AM
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VituVingiSana
#27 Posted : Friday, March 04, 2011 10:10:18 AM
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I love wikileaks!

- I have not read the original cable but seems KQ is pissed that Delta wanted Nairobi-USA all from themselves unlike the JV that KQ has with KLM.

It is time for someone [if not KQ] to open direct flights from Nairobi to USA. Why go through Europe & pay all those fees? Plus much shorter flights. KQ needs to grow up.

If Delta is successful then learn from them & start flying to USA [lots of Kenyans in New Jersey & Texas]
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#28 Posted : Sunday, March 06, 2011 11:47:05 PM
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Local/regional airlines are screwed...
http://www.businessdaily...-/11d1qnqz/-/index.html

KQ will suffer but manage to survive in the domestic market as long as it keeps the planes full [& increases fuel surcharges] but the smaller airlines are cooked coz they have little connecting traffic...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
invest0r
#29 Posted : Tuesday, March 08, 2011 10:07:10 AM
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now at 38 and looks like its headed to 37 by end of today. how far south could this stock go? at what price is this share worth a speculative play?
Pierce
#30 Posted : Tuesday, March 08, 2011 10:25:53 AM
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Ngai fafa!
hisah
#31 Posted : Tuesday, March 08, 2011 3:06:16 PM
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As long as oil is on a parabolic like in 2008, KQ and industrial will catch a cold. I still see scope for KQ testing 30 and I hope it holds or 20 will be the next stage Sad

Weekly crude oil chart...

Click here to view. If you get an error, just refresh the window...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
For Sport
#32 Posted : Tuesday, March 08, 2011 4:02:57 PM
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This stock separates the investor from the speculator. Wanted to get out some time ago but have decided to put on my game face and stay put.
mlennyma
#33 Posted : Tuesday, March 08, 2011 4:24:34 PM
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34.50 yes,not a dream
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Aguytrying
#34 Posted : Tuesday, March 08, 2011 7:03:03 PM
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Muhahaha. enjoy the ride fellas, when this roller coaster starts going down, its going up. It's time to buy kq when the oil prices Start reducing. Could it really to 20.00????
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erifloss
#35 Posted : Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:43:52 PM
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Blame Tunisians for opening up Arabs eyes. Egypt then Libya now Yemen and Bahrain. Some pockets of protests in Saudi Arabia, Chinese govt becoming weary and are now looking at ways of instituting better social welfare, survey done in Russia shows that guys are disatisfied and actually like what is transpiring in the arab world. Conclusion, prices will still go down in the near future.
'They say money cannot buy me happiness but when i compare when i had none and now, i'm happier' Kevin O'leary
VituVingiSana
#36 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2011 1:49:19 AM
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It is cheap at 37, very cheap at 34, a discount at 30, theft at 20... LOL... The last time they dropped to 24, I got me some!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
jerry
#37 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2011 8:10:34 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
It is cheap at 37, very cheap at 34, a discount at 30, theft at 20... LOL... The last time they dropped to 24, I got me some!

Must have been robbery @16/= as we saw it post PEV.
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VituVingiSana
#38 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:12:14 AM
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jerry wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
It is cheap at 37, very cheap at 34, a discount at 30, theft at 20... LOL... The last time they dropped to 24, I got me some!

Must have been robbery @16/= as we saw it post PEV.
A scam ! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
youcan'tstopusnow
#39 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2011 10:12:43 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
The last time they dropped to 24, I got me some!

And you didn't sell at 48-60? Greedy when others are fearful?smile
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VituVingiSana
#40 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2011 12:08:07 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
The last time they dropped to 24, I got me some!

And you didn't sell at 48-60? Greedy when others are fearful?smile
Not all... I figured there is life in the dog! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

I compare what else is there at the time... I saw growth [I did not anticipate 2008 violence, the GFC in 2009 nor the arab uprisings in 2011] as KQ kept on expanding...

The Black Swan... I am not selling anyway coz I see this as temporary but I would add as I can...

The only issue [always cash] is which ones?

KK, KPLC, KQ, Unga... all trade at low P/B or PER...

Since I am long-term I sorta don't care as much... I figure when they pay off they will pay off huge. Or I hope?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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