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VituVingiSana
#21 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 12:32:36 AM
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@chaliwong - What stops the accountant doing the same with RTGS instructions?

Or that matter a forger [who may be assisted by Bank Employees or your accountant]?
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#22 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 8:55:06 AM
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chaliwong wrote:
This is what I'm talking about.

You are out of the country and you have left 3 or 4 lumpsum cheques written in favour of "Day Solution Limited" who are your suppliers.
But the entrusted accountant at Day Solution steals the cheques and carefully alters the cheques to read "ToDay Solutions Limited"
It only takes a day or two to register a company which he does using the fraudulent name.
Once the company is registerd he walks into a local bank and opens an account in the same fraudulent name. The bank will do a search before opening the account at the regitars office, they will find that the name is genuin and the owner is the same as the one on the ID.

Once the account is opened he will deposit the cheques,and once they clear withdraw the funds and take off.
The cheques will hit your account and you wont notice because the cheque numbers will tally with those you wrote Day solution Limited.

If Day solutions limited is a very busy company they will realise that this payments were never made during their next Audit which may be six months after the fraud.

Okay,you could say the burden lies with Days Solutios since it was their employee, but remember you could also have written the cheque and lost it before you paid it out and you never realised until one month later.
You could also have entrusted employees who can do the same to cheques paid to you.

@Chaliwong, as an executive what one should institute in his payment system is a tier payment system. This is where the bank has different phone numbers to contact for different levels of payment and before any cheque is released a list of the cheques issued for the day should be made signed by the authorised guys thus a cheque not listed will never clear and on each clearance their is a responsible guy who receives a call.
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chaliwong
#23 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 7:20:54 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
@chaliwong - What stops the accountant doing the same with RTGS instructions?

Or that matter a forger [who may be assisted by Bank Employees or your accountant]?


What I said is that RTGS and cheques are old school.
RTGS are even worse than cheques.

What we need is Internet Banking where you transact directly from your PC at the comfort of your house or office without having third Parties in between the execution of the transactions.
Donald trump style of transacting is here with us.Wachana na makaratasi triplicate.
chaliwong
#24 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 8:21:23 PM
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jerry wrote:
MatataMingi wrote:
@ Jerry.
You can have internet banking with quite a few banks as an indivdual.
I have it with SCB & CBA.
However, at the moment you can only check balances / transactions etc.
You can move money between your accounts - but not to another account in the bank or to a another Bank..
I like the system , but would like to see it giving me more options - like online systems in the West.

Hope this helps.

@matataMingi, thanks. @chaliwong, any examples of banks in Kenya offering internet banking across banks?


Start Personalised banking with any of the foreign based banks and you will be surprised what they can offer you.

There is all this hype about our indegenious banks but I think they still have along way to go.
Their stocks will make us money,but their services, whether over the counter or by phone are still basic.
VituVingiSana
#25 Posted : Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:08:28 AM
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chaliwong wrote:
Start Personalised banking with any of the foreign based banks and you will be surprised what they can offer you.

There is all this hype about our indegenious banks but I think they still have along way to go.
Their stocks will make us money,but their services, whether over the counter or by phone are still basic.
Agreed but we are stuck with them until someone breaks the mold...
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Outvestor
#26 Posted : Sunday, February 13, 2011 2:34:13 PM
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jerry wrote:
MatataMingi wrote:
@ Jerry.
You can have internet banking with quite a few banks as an indivdual.
I have it with SCB & CBA.
However, at the moment you can only check balances / transactions etc.
You can move money between your accounts - but not to another account in the bank or to a another Bank..
I like the system , but would like to see it giving me more options - like online systems in the West.

Hope this helps.

@matataMingi, thanks. @chaliwong, any examples of banks in Kenya offering internet banking across banks?


@jerry, I'm on SCB's 850/= p.m flat rate fee account. I've access to internet banking. I have transferred (EFT) money numerous times from my account to third party SCB, KCB, EQTY, BBK and even to a KCB Pre-paid Debit card accounts.

Good thing is, I've never incurred any charges for these transactions. It could be that we're still in a 'grace period'.

I've never tried transfers to foreign based accounts though.
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JabaBoeku
#27 Posted : Sunday, February 13, 2011 5:38:26 PM
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@Outvestor, the reason why you are not charged by SCB is because u pay a monthly flat-rate fee (850), so the EFTs /ATM /deposit transactions are all inclusive for that monthly fee.

How long does an EFT transfer to other banks take to be effected?
Do you have to complete a form & submit via email or its done on Internet-banking platform?

I know EQTY's internet banking, if its linked to a current account - there is no monthly fee! U pay a fee only if there is a transaction e.g. transfer to another EQTY /MKESHO acct is immediate and costs 50/=. Incoming EFTs cost 100/=.
Transfer to other banks is only via request using email.
I find the EFT processing costs high. Anyone knows another bank that offers better than this?
VituVingiSana
#28 Posted : Monday, February 14, 2011 2:38:05 AM
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SCB might not be bad if the cost of transfers is included in the 850/- because the RTGS cost is 500/-... And if you do 2 RTGS/month then you are covered...
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JabaBoeku
#29 Posted : Monday, February 14, 2011 2:48:18 PM
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@Outvestor - I thot SCB limits it to one funds transfer per month? (and RTGS may be wee categorised as a transfer) Confirm....
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#30 Posted : Monday, February 14, 2011 9:27:53 PM
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JabaBoeku wrote:
@Outvestor - I thot SCB limits it to one funds transfer per month? (and RTGS may be wee categorised as a transfer) Confirm....

i can confirm that the number of free rtgs is unlimited for this a/c while online banking is free for all a/cs. I can confirm also apart from doing even international tranfers, you can also order cheque books and set up standing orders within scb a/cs.
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VituVingiSana
#31 Posted : Monday, February 14, 2011 9:50:34 PM
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githundi wrote:
JabaBoeku wrote:
@Outvestor - I thot SCB limits it to one funds transfer per month? (and RTGS may be wee categorised as a transfer) Confirm....

i can confirm that the number of free rtgs is unlimited for this a/c while online banking is free for all a/cs. I can confirm also apart from doing even international tranfers, you can also order cheque books and set up standing orders within scb a/cs.

This is looking good!!! The free RTGS by themselves! Plus there is a branch in Westie open 7 days/week...!
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Outvestor
#32 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:55:50 AM
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JabaBoeku wrote:

How long does an EFT transfer to other banks take to be effected?
Do you have to complete a form & submit via email or its done on Internet-banking platform?

@Jaba, Incidentaly, I've done all my transfers later in the day (close to normal COB). In all cases, the transactions were effected on the following day, mid-morning mostly.

I've had mixed results with the transfers reflecting on the recipient's end.
- KCB prepaid card once reflected the transfer almost immediately.
- Equity takes 2-3 days
- Barclays took 3 days (I guess the recipient may have taken longer to confirm.

There's no paperwork/mailing involved. U just set up the beneficiary accounts from your internet account(if they don't exist) & proceed with the transfer. Someone from SCB Customer Care will later call your pre-registered line to confirm the transaction before it is effected. That's all.

I guess other queries have been addressed by others.
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#33 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 3:54:02 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
kyt wrote:
How much is an rtgs 4 a million?
500/- but the annoying part is having to go into a branch to do it. Whether this means sending someone there or going by yourself!

Please note I think the 'risk' of fraud is HIGHER with an RTGS

1) My chqbook is in a safe place. I do not leave it lying around. My letterhead can be copied by a good color photocopier OR printed in a River Road shop!

2) There is a NUMBER for every chq. It is [or should be unique] so easy to keep track of. Most accounting software uses the concept of paying by chqs [i.e. a unique number]. How unique are RTGS instructions?

3) I can 'STOP PAYMENT' a chq if there is fraud i.e. missing chq, non-delivery of goods, etc

Anyway, KShs 1,000,000 for many businesses [& individuals] is NOTHING to write home about with the inflation we have seen! Only 500 TranCentury shares!


RTGS is actually not that bad although its expensive to remit small amounts...

1.Cheques are capped at 1,000,000
2.You need your signature on the letterhead. Your bank should call you to confirm any instructions for amounts above a threshold you want... do even for all instructions, a quick call, no harm done, no charge.
3.you can do email instructions if you have a secure address and you dont leave your laptop / phone lying around with outlook / mail browser open. You bank will require you to sign off on email indemnity.
4.Cheques give value after 4 (working) days.
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Genghis Khan
#34 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 4:08:36 PM
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chaliwong wrote:
Cheques are beeing faced out polepole. TZ is almost there.
Currently you are not allowed to draw a cheque exceeding 999K unless its beeing paid out to an account within your own bank.

RTGS is also old school and is not real time and most banks have upgraded their IT platforms and have started rolling out internet banking where you will be doing all your transactions real time at the comfort of your PC.
All you need is an email address and a PIN that will be provided by your bank.
Once you transact via internet a confirmation will be done from the contact centre.And just like Mpesa the PIN will be the security for your money.
But one thing I know for sure, interbank cheque transactions are beeing faced out polepole.


You cannot use internet banking to "transfer" funds from one account to another. No bank can allow any outsider to post transactions from outside the bank.... internet banking allows us to give instructions from "the comfort of your PC". It helps the customer initiate the transaction... traditional remittance media (EFT, TT & RTGS) still have to be initiated by the bank's operations staff.
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#35 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 4:20:10 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
@chaliwong - What stops the accountant doing the same with RTGS instructions?

Or that matter a forger [who may be assisted by Bank Employees or your accountant]?


RTGS instructions are printed not written in hand?

RTGS instructions are sent directly to the drawee (this reduces but does not eliminate interception risk). they also contain payee's account number, bank and branch in addition to name (this reduces but does not eliminate fraud and error risk)
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#36 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2011 4:34:38 PM
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@Outvester, help me with the schools list yawa
The optimist
#37 Posted : Wednesday, March 11, 2015 4:45:27 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Starting 18 March 2011, the Settlement Date will be T+3 [vs T+4]. Good news for traders.

Hopefully, they will go towards T+0 by 2012. I hate waiting for my cash after I sell though have to pay upfront when I want to buy shares!

What's the current settlement duration.
Forgive my basic question but I need to know how long it should take to credit my bank account(RTGS) after a sale order has gone through.
The optimist
#38 Posted : Wednesday, March 11, 2015 6:59:21 PM
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The optimist wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Starting 18 March 2011, the Settlement Date will be T+3 [vs T+4]. Good news for traders.

Hopefully, they will go towards T+0 by 2012. I hate waiting for my cash after I sell though have to pay upfront when I want to buy shares!

What's the current settlement duration.
Forgive my basic question but I need to know how long it should take to credit my bank account(RTGS) after a sale order has gone through.

Anyoned'oh!
mwekez@ji
#39 Posted : Wednesday, March 11, 2015 7:41:44 PM
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The optimist wrote:
The optimist wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Starting 18 March 2011, the Settlement Date will be T+3 [vs T+4]. Good news for traders.

Hopefully, they will go towards T+0 by 2012. I hate waiting for my cash after I sell though have to pay upfront when I want to buy shares!

What's the current settlement duration.
Forgive my basic question but I need to know how long it should take to credit my bank account(RTGS) after a sale order has gone through.

Anyoned'oh!

After sale order has been excecuted, some brokers insist that the funds take 2 days to clear. After that, the funds sent via RTGS will reflect in your bank account the same day they are sent.
The optimist
#40 Posted : Wednesday, March 11, 2015 8:12:57 PM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
The optimist wrote:
The optimist wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Starting 18 March 2011, the Settlement Date will be T+3 [vs T+4]. Good news for traders.

Hopefully, they will go towards T+0 by 2012. I hate waiting for my cash after I sell though have to pay upfront when I want to buy shares!

What's the current settlement duration.
Forgive my basic question but I need to know how long it should take to credit my bank account(RTGS) after a sale order has gone through.

Anyoned'oh!

After sale order has been excecuted, some brokers insist that the funds take 2 days to clear. After that, the funds sent via RTGS will reflect in your bank account the same day they are sent.

Thanks @mwekez@ji
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