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Rank: Member Joined: 6/24/2007 Posts: 111 Location: Afrique
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here goes my saving M.O. right after college, my 3 bosom buddies and I, formed an L.C. whereby we were each allocated an equal no. of shares in the co.each shareholder was to find his own means of buying his alllocated shares(totalled to 3M per shareholder) we each took out a loan of at least 750k(we all got long term job contracts stat and were able to get personal loans) which went towards forming the initial co.capital. we started a school, ventured into stocks and, to a small extent, real estate. each shareholder committed himself to chipping in a certain amount monthly which went towards buying the initially allocated shares. I contribute at least 15k voluntarily towards this end on top of the approx 15k that goes towards the initial loan repayment. the co. has had astronomical growth since '07 but we always reinvest our gains into the co. our stock portfolio is up in excess of 150%, our academy is doing exceptionally well and our real estate holdings amount to a princely sum. we are all under 30, our initial personal loans monthly repayments expire next year. we intend to continue investing in the co. for another 5 years before earning any dividend. moral? find an investment vehicle that 'locks' your savings but also brings superior returns. this works if you begin with your 1st payslip(and avoid the ensuing consumerism) and and have like-minded friends. Happy investing! It is a curious fact that of all the illusions that beset mankind, none is quite as curious as that tendency to suppose that we are mentally and morally superior to those who differ from us in opinion.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/1/2010 Posts: 511 Location: kandara, Murang'a
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Dod wrote:Saving the whole 40% may be too ambitious for most people... 60%...live on 10%...invest long term 10%...save short term for major/recurrent expenses e.g school fees, insurance, household items etc so that you avoid short term loans and credit card debts 20%...Use to pay debts....If/once debt free, save long term. Avoid trying to keep up with the Joneses...they are in debt upto their necks!! Mwangi's and otero's you mean huh Foresight..
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/1/2010 Posts: 511 Location: kandara, Murang'a
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2012 wrote:madhaquer wrote:I rarely ever go to the bank everything is in standing orders and I access the spending account through the atm by the 10th that account is empty having distributed cash all over. Which bank are you with? My bank charges 400bob for per standing order and I cannot join those banks that have a monthly fee. kadonye wrote:I think that is on a higher side unless one is dependent on someone else. I think 10pc minimum is the best. Please dont forget that consumption includes money spent on social items and religious deductions like tithes... I tried it and it works but it's a struggle. I need to make some lifestyle adjustments for it to work consistently e.g move to a cheaper area code and obey the Mututho rules. 60/40 of 100k example;The 60%Rent 20k Expenditure 20k Entertainment 10k Transport/misc 10k The 40%Tithe 10k Short term savings 10k Long term savings 10k Emergency kitty (six month survival) 10k The LoansIn this concept these payments will obviously come from the 40%. Pay your tithe and use the other 30% to pay off your loans. As the good book says if you have debt you are servant to your lender. I Think the reason Am poor is cos i never TITHE! well not 10% anyway. or does helping someone in need a form of tithing? Foresight..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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I love loans.... good loans of course... I am always at the maximum that i can get... whenever there is a breather, i top up..... I make sure i am only left with what i need for the month plus to pay up chamas and other small investments. that's the only way i am able to save.... I dont like it when i have money in the account... I have a standing order to my child's account though that is so so hard to access.... the bank gives me such a hell of time to get the money that i have to make sure i survive without going to the bank if that is the only way to survive.... I go on average less than 5 times a year... and that's when its a do or die issue or if the money is too much for emergency and needs investing on a growing asset.
@gatoho.... tuko wengi...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,905
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@Wendz, hope this helps...
Dear Fred & Catherine:
Over a period of a good many years I have known a great many people who at some time or another have suffered in various ways simply because they did not have ready cash. I have known people who have had to sacrifice some of their holdings in order to have money that was necessary at that time.
For a good many years your grandfather kept a certain amount of money where he could put his hands on it in very short notice.
For a number of years I have made it a point to keep a reserve, should some occasion come up where I would need money quickly, without disturbing the money that I have in my business. There have been a couple occasions when I found it very convenient to go to this fund.
Thus, I feel that everyone should have a reserve. I hope it never happens to you, but the chances are that some day you will need money, and need it badly, and with this thought in view, I started a fund by placing $200.00 in an envelope, with your name on it, when you were married. Each year I added something to it, until there is now $1000.00 in the fund.
Ten years have elapsed since you were married, and this fund is now completed.
It is my wish that you place this envelope in your safety deposit box, and keep it for the purpose that it was created for. Should the time come when you need part, I would suggest that you use as little as possible, and replace it as soon as possible.
You might feel that this should be invested and bring you an income. Forget it -- the mental satisfaction of having $1000.00 laid away where you can put your hands on it, is worth more than what interest it might bring, especially if you have the investment in something that you could not realize on quickly.
If in after years you feel this has been a good idea, you might repeat it with your own children.
For your information, I might mention that there has never been a Buffett who ever left a very large estate, but there has never been one that did not leave something. They never spent all they made, but always saved part of what they made, and it has all worked out pretty well.
This letter is being written at the expiration of ten years after you were married.
Ernest Buffett “Dad”
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 6/21/2010 Posts: 73 Location: kenya
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Wendz wrote:I love loans.... good loans of course... I am always at the maximum that i can get... whenever there is a breather, i top up..... I make sure i am only left with what i need for the month plus to pay up chamas and other small investments. that's the only way i am able to save.... I dont like it when i have money in the account... I have a standing order to my child's account though that is so so hard to access.... the bank gives me such a hell of time to get the money that i have to make sure i survive without going to the bank if that is the only way to survive.... I go on average less than 5 times a year... and that's when its a do or die issue or if the money is too much for emergency and needs investing on a growing asset.
@gatoho.... tuko wengi...
@wendz...same here.A huge percentage of my money has always been committed by loans.Last month,my net increased a bit and now am really trying to restrain myself from taking another loan for buying a plot.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/5/2009 Posts: 597
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I may be saving differently as i dont consider the percentages. here it goes: 1. 9K Life Insurance (Unit Linked-to reap the most return) 2. 12K fixed depo every month. 3. 8K Savings A/C for emergencies 4. 4K Sacco 5. 10K irregularly to boost my share portfolio. The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts while the stupid ones are full of confidence
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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@Muganda
Nice article.... but it hasnt worked for me..... liquid cash and I are great friends so we love keeping some distance if we are both to survive..... Thing is, i know if i really needed money for emergency, i have several sources where i can offload .... but cash at a bank where i have an ATM card would be a big-joke-sort of saving.....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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QD wrote:I may be saving differently as i dont consider the percentages. here it goes: 1. 9K Life Insurance (Unit Linked-to reap the most return) 2. 12K fixed depo every month. 3. 8K Savings A/C for emergencies 4. 4K Sacco 5. 10K irregularly to boost my share portfolio. Very good discipline. It's clear too that you don't have kids because half or more of that cash you've put in your Life insurance would go to an education policy. Iguess that's for later but all the same, that's commendable discipline, keep it up. BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/26/2008 Posts: 319
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I am just not disciplined enough to keep anything aside on my own. I save via: CFC Life - 4260/- (this is giving 200K bonus in June which I will use to pay advance premiums on my Baby's education policy) SACCO - 5K (contribution, not easy to withdraw - earns dividends - 2010 dividend yield was 8%, expecting same this year April) SACCO - 10K (target saving - withdrawn on demand) Investment Grps - 13K Not really savings, but.... SACCO Loans - 27K (which enables me to do my side Biz - honestly if I didn't take out these loans, I'd probably spend the coins anyway) Pension-some %age of my payslip - dont even know what it is now... Sina pesa ingine duniani. I am not yet 'eating' anything from my side biz as it is in the growth phase and I can hardly even cope with the current financing requirements. My policy - I live 50% kikuyu and 50% Jang'o. I eat well today, live within my means to afford a good life, but I also keep something aside. But I wont for example put GT radial tyres on my car just so I save 2K... - ukikuyu mingi. Lakini pia I wont spend 1M on a car as yet - sijafika hapo - ujang mingi. Credit card - solve that problem NOW!!! Lastly, dont love money - in the end it means nothing really. Two tycoons have recently died who had at least a billion to their names - guesses? Any lessons to be learnt there?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/16/2010 Posts: 906 Location: Nairobi
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@muganda, how about (on a company level) converting cash reserves into dollars to avoid the negative political influences exerted onto our local currency?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,905
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@KenyanLyrics, that letter was actually extracted from Berkshire Hathaway's annual report (written by his uncle) and was touted by Warren Buffet as the reason why he has $38b in cash for good investments. So heck, it works for business. But the key is a good cash buffer irrespective of the currency. KenyanLyrics wrote:@muganda, how about (on a company level) converting cash reserves into dollars to avoid the negative political influences exerted onto our local currency?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/9/2010 Posts: 894 Location: Nairobi
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i contribute money to saccos and chama and treat them like monthly expenses. I also value stocks and land as a store for value and growth avenues. Don't wait for the Last Judgment. It happens every day. ~Albert Camus, The Fall, 1956
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/21/2011 Posts: 119
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madhaquer wrote:4 me Savings work well when they are connected to goals.
When putting money into a sacco for instance, the main benefits are two. The ability to borrow against that cash saved (definitely for a bigger project) or the dividends earned against the savings. The only other time that cash can be accessed is when leaving the sacco.
Apart from emergency cash set aside, I find that any savings without a plan will easily be wasted or used up.
I put away a fixed amount each month for my kid's education fund. I put away some in a sacco to pay existing loans and save to borrow in the future. I put away some in a unit trust fund that I can cash out in 10 years time. I put some into the nse I put some into the spending account that finances the month's expenses (shopping, fuel, etc) I rarely ever go to the bank everything is in standing orders and I access the spending account through the atm by the 10th that account is empty having distributed cash all over. When buying a plot or investing in anything substantial, I cash out of my nse portfolio. Any cash coming in usually goes to reduce existing loans.
It is the goals that drive me otherwise I would be finished without this plans. Thanks, this is just the kind of advice that I was looking for.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/21/2011 Posts: 119
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@ Sigiriri,
What is target saving but I think I have an idea, from the name.
Which SACCO is this that offers target saving?
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/14/2011 Posts: 639
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I WISH TO ASK WAZUA ADMIN TO MOVE THIS INVALUABLE THREAD TO THE INVESTOR FORUM!!!May as many as of this opinion say 'I'
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/17/2008 Posts: 1,234
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Hunderwear wrote:I WISH TO ASK WAZUA ADMIN TO MOVE THIS INVALUABLE THREAD TO THE INVESTOR FORUM!!!May as many as of this opinion say 'I' No it ought to be in club Sk which has more visitors.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/14/2011 Posts: 639
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No it ought to be in club Sk which has more visitors.[/quote] Nop..Investor is the best as ts related to the forum business.Admin do somethng!
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2007 Posts: 215
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Thanks guys for the thoughts,
Is the 40% on net or gross if on gross then it takes lot of discipline. Below works for me 1. Pension 16% ( Interest 12% 2010) 2. Sacco Shares 4% ( interest 9 2010) 3. Sacco Saving available on Dec 4% ( xmass package) gave 20% interest last year 4. Sacco loan 24% (Invested on kaplot) Interest on the loan 12%
Long terms ( Pension and sacco shares) only available when leaving the current engagement.
Long term for education of the kids, i plan to have at least a plot for each kid to sell and take them though their university education, if need be. Any windfalls and bonuses channeled towards the loans to shorten the pain.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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wairegi wrote:
3. Sacco Saving available on Dec 4% ( xmass package) gave 20% interest last year
Please expound on point No.3 does it mean you save for Dec separately but in your sacco? BBI will solve it :)
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