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livie
#1 Posted : Wednesday, March 02, 2011 10:13:28 AM
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Good People!

I am in a dilemma understanding the difference between end year e.g. 31 March and Books closure e.g. 15-Mar-2011 (both for Barclays Bank)

What date matters when for example one expects a dividend? By what date must one be holding shares for a company to qualify to get dividend?

d'oh!
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VituVingiSana
#2 Posted : Wednesday, March 02, 2011 10:28:46 AM
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Year End is the FINANCIAL Year End
All banks financial year runs from 1 Jan - 31 Dec
KQ it's 1 Apr - 31 Mar
EABL it's 1 Jul - 30 Jun

Typically dividends are announced when Results are announced. Not always though. Some firms issue interim dividends. Others do not.

After the announcement, there is an AGM [final dividend] where the dividends are 'approved'.

Then there is a Books Closing date i.e. the day on which you have to own...
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Impunity
#3 Posted : Wednesday, March 02, 2011 10:40:41 AM
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@VVSana, when is the book closure date for Barclays?
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kasheshe
#4 Posted : Wednesday, March 02, 2011 10:55:32 AM
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Impunity,

On the NSE website, if you open the daily pricelist, at the botton it has all the declared dividends, bonus etc with the dates well spelt out. It would be useful for tracking purposes.
livie
#5 Posted : Wednesday, March 02, 2011 11:30:20 AM
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Thanks a lot @VVS

Is that the reason why there is a lot of activity around a share whose book closing date is imminent?

And would this be a good time to get into the share?

Thanks again for the info.
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QD
#6 Posted : Wednesday, March 02, 2011 11:56:38 AM
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livie wrote:
Thanks a lot @VVS

Is that the reason why there is a lot of activity around a share whose book closing date is imminent?

And would this be a good time to get into the share?

Thanks again for the info.


No it will not be the good time to buy such a share coz
There could be an info some people know that is not in the market domain for you and the current share price already factored that.
The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts while the stupid ones are full of confidence
Insurgent
#7 Posted : Wednesday, March 02, 2011 12:07:29 PM
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livie wrote:
Thanks a lot @VVS

Is that the reason why there is a lot of activity around a share whose book closing date is imminent?

And would this be a good time to get into the share?

Thanks again for the info.


If yu buy bbk before 15 march 2011, you will get the 4.70 shilings they are giving us its final dividend.

On the 15 march, the share will be cumdividend, on 16 march, it will be exdividend and will go down by a 4.70 margin plus more as those who buy then will huv to wait for a year to get the next final.

The same thing happens for interim dividend but because the interim is usual very small, the effect is not as much as the final div case.

If yu buy bbk today, the share might continue going down because wikileaks has confirmed that raila is a dictator who can destroy this country. even rannenberger confarmed the same.


"One man gives freely, yet gains even more; another withholds unduly, but comes to poverty. A generous man will prosper; he who refreshes others will himself be refreshed." Rev Canon Karanja.

mwanahisa
#8 Posted : Wednesday, March 02, 2011 12:32:16 PM
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Insurgent wrote:

If yu buy bbk today, the share might continue going down because wikileaks has confirmed that raila is a dictator who can destroy this country. even rannenberger confarmed the same.


What a load of BS (and obvious anti Raila sentiment). I hold no brief for RAO but BBK will neither fall nor rise because of your feelings against the man, but because of what the market thinks of Barclays.

I agree with most of what has been put forth by yourself and VVS but sometimes the share price does not fall when it goes ex-div especially when the company is expected to continue on a growth in profits trajectory.
The Merchant
#9 Posted : Wednesday, March 02, 2011 12:36:32 PM
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You must hold the shares before books closure date to qualify for a dividend. Any time before that or immediately after you are just angling for capital gains.
livie
#10 Posted : Wednesday, March 02, 2011 12:55:51 PM
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Thanks wazua people....very informative.
If you are going to be thinking only one thing, you might as well be thinking big. -Donald J . Trump
Impunity
#11 Posted : Wednesday, March 02, 2011 2:29:22 PM
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The Merchant wrote:
You must hold the shares before books closure date to qualify for a dividend. Any time before that or immediately after you are just angling for capital gains.


Now id I offload my shares on 16-March, and the dividend cheque is sent like 10-Apr,Will I still get my cheque?Or someone will say that I sold my shares so soon after book closure?d'oh! d'oh!

And how can u tell that the share price will not go down?
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The Merchant
#12 Posted : Wednesday, March 02, 2011 4:03:32 PM
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Impunity wrote:
The Merchant wrote:
You must hold the shares before books closure date to qualify for a dividend. Any time before that or immediately after you are just angling for capital gains.


Now id I offload my shares on 16-March, and the dividend cheque is sent like 10-Apr,Will I still get my cheque?Or someone will say that I sold my shares so soon after book closure?d'oh! d'oh!

And how can u tell that the share price will not go down?

If you are on the register before that date you will be okay, even if you sell right after. About the share price going down this all depends on the company we are talking about and its growth prospects in the investors' eyes. smile
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