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BBK reports record profits FY 2010 results
Govmusili
#21 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:41:17 PM
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vestor wrote:

Like yesterday. If you buy at 69 yoyur average price after the split will be 55 bob.smile


Please help me with the maths above, how does a split lower your average purchase price.Or are you confusing it with a bonus?[/quote]

Because for every 4 u have u get an extra 1, i.e. with for all the shares u'll know have it will have cost u the same ammount..

bartum
#22 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 2:12:04 PM
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@Govmusilli go do home and differentiate between right and split. You still have a long way bro.
Borsenmakler
#23 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 2:16:04 PM
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The Merchant wrote:
dave.kim wrote:
i had not invested on the share but i want in on the split and dividend.any suggestions on what time would be best to jump from now?

Like yesterday. If you buy at 69 yoyur average price after the split will be 55 bob.smile

but does the average price matter? For simple arithmetic lets say you buy 100 shares at 68 bob, the split is 4 to 1, so you get 300 shares more and the price is 17, so the value remains the same. The only advantage you get is the dividend(if you get in cum div) and the possibility of an upswing since the share will be more liquid. Correct me if am wrong.
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#24 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 2:38:10 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
Some years back,a jinga broker at the then DSL bought me a chunk of BBK whereas my order was for ARM.....I should look for the idiot and by him a drink.


I bought my ARM at ksh 18, they are ksh 182
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#25 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 2:47:05 PM
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Do the split shares participate in the dividends?smile smile smile smile
erifloss
#26 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 2:57:54 PM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
Do the split shares participate in the dividends?smile smile smile smile

Shame on you No. Hapana.....
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#27 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 3:03:19 PM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
Do the split shares participate in the dividends?smile smile smile smile


Each split gets 1.175 dividends (previous 4.7)smile
moneydust
#28 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 3:11:07 PM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
Njung'e wrote:
Some years back,a jinga broker at the then DSL bought me a chunk of BBK whereas my order was for ARM.....I should look for the idiot and by him a drink.


I bought my ARM at ksh 18, they are ksh 182



He surely doesn't deserve a drink...maybe a few choice epithets...
mukiha
#29 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 3:47:04 PM
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What's the point of splitting a share whose market price is around 60 - 70? One could still get 100 pieces for less that sh10k!

I don't see their logic.
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The Merchant
#30 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 3:51:08 PM
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MY BAD!! Read 'my own things'. Well the new stock will now trade at about 17/-.
Dividends will also be a quarter of the current dividends ditto earnings.
Liquidity will definitely improve though.
jerry
#31 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 3:51:47 PM
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vestor wrote:

Like yesterday. If you buy at 69 yoyur average price after the split will be 55 bob.smile


Please help me with the maths above, how does a split lower your average purchase price.Or are you confusing it with a bonus?[/quote]
@vestor; even for @Njung'e I can't see the immediate advantage of a split.
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jerry
#32 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:00:20 PM
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mukiha wrote:
What's the point of splitting a share whose market price is around 60 - 70? One could still get 100 pieces for less that sh10k!

I don't see their logic.

@mukiha, they should've reduced the dividend and issued bonus instead.
The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
FundamentAli
#33 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:10:08 PM
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My worry about this stock is that customer deposits have been stagnant or decreasing. All other banks will show a 20% increase in customer deposits. It will be the no. 5 bank in two to three years. The split must be a way of shoring up its share value. Dispoing assets is not a way of measuring performance. Writing back bad debts is also not another way of measuring performance. This two activities have a limit and cannot go on for ever. After a while the true performance of this stock will start showing.
jerry
#34 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:13:39 PM
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mukiha wrote:
What's the point of splitting a share whose market price is around 60 - 70? One could still get 100 pieces for less that sh10k!

I don't see their logic.

The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
mlennyma
#35 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:36:32 PM
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Am leaving b4 the honey moon ends
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#36 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:52:12 PM
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mukiha wrote:
What's the point of splitting a share whose market price is around 60 - 70? One could still get 100 pieces for less that sh10k!

I don't see their logic.


The obvious reason is - to make the shareholders giggle and create interest. Seems to be working.

BBI will solve it
:)
Cde Monomotapa
#37 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:14:46 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
Am leaving b4 the honey moon ends

That will be a good move. The stagnation of key metrics on the BS show smoke n we know what accompanies where there is smoke!!
githundi
#38 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 7:42:09 PM
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FundamentAli wrote:
My worry about this stock is that customer deposits have been stagnant or decreasing. All other banks will show a 20% increase in customer deposits. It will be the no. 5 bank in two to three years. The split must be a way of shoring up its share value. Dispoing assets is not a way of measuring performance. Writing back bad debts is also not another way of measuring performance. This two activities have a limit and cannot go on for ever. After a while the true performance of this stock will start showing.

How i agree with you. At least they have gone round the stagnating revenues, goodluck next time.
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erifloss
#39 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 8:18:05 PM
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githundi wrote:
FundamentAli wrote:
My worry about this stock is that customer deposits have been stagnant or decreasing. All other banks will show a 20% increase in customer deposits. It will be the no. 5 bank in two to three years. The split must be a way of shoring up its share value. Dispoing assets is not a way of measuring performance. Writing back bad debts is also not another way of measuring performance. This two activities have a limit and cannot go on for ever. After a while the true performance of this stock will start showing.

How i agree with you. At least they have gone round the stagnating revenues, goodluck next time.

@FundamentAli, i'm in agreement with you. The devil is in the detail. Look at their off balance sheet items and other disclosures. Look at how they came up with the provisions for bad loans/debt. Check at the increase in collections of the previously written off debts (shown as income as had been previously expensed). Under other incomes carefully look at the various contributors (forex income specifically). Actually if you give their income a little haircut and ignore the one off gain on the sale of the custodial biz(of which we are yet to know the valuation parameters used) then you'll get to know the real growth & as per Adan's statement the process of offloading guys will go on for the next 1 to 1.5 years. I think the share is flying on the basis of the div payable coz sustainability of the posted earnings is questionable.
IMHO the split is just for making the share be liquid enough.
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sparkly
#40 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:16:04 PM
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I also dont see the reason for excitement. Bbk is a blue chip and a good dividend payer but the "growth" is just an illusion. Best strategy would have been to get in at discount between 35 and 50.
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