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The Real Shaft		#61 Posted : Thursday, August 20, 2009 1:26:00 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/19/2008 Posts: 839		that one you got shafted... royally.... there I will not lie...... just like a mechanic.... if you walk into his garage and go by what he quotes.... he will shaft you..... it is not illegal... in fact in law... if I could charge 1 milli for an affidavit..... you would not be able to sue me for 'overcharging'.... if I rate my drafting is worth that amount... then that's what i will charge... what i can not do is undercharge... that's an offence..... so before you part with your pounds...... consult...... au sio .....??? I'm the real Massey F.....shut your mouth I'm the real Massey Fergu...... Shut your mouth....
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Kamaa		#62 Posted : Friday, August 21, 2009 7:06:00 AM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/6/2007 Posts: 1,177 Location: Nairobi - Kenya		@ TRS how does undercharging become an offence? what criteria do you use to determine a standard charge so as to know when undercharging? you've heard me.. When you hear what I say, you will not understand. When you see what I do, you will not comprehend
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Blackberry		#63 Posted : Friday, August 21, 2009 7:45:00 AM
Rank: Member Joined: 11/9/2007 Posts: 420 Location: Nairobi		@trs,,,,like you say shilingi ni scarce....hence seeking to find one who fits the pocket...u are probably way out of our league which is also OK Opinion is free,truth is sacred. Opinion is free, truth is sacred.
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The Real Shaft		#64 Posted : Friday, August 21, 2009 7:52:00 AM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/19/2008 Posts: 839		Kamaa.. before the minimum charges are developed..... the Law Society of Kenya ...... and other stakeholders convene..... and deliberate...... on judicial procedure...... the standards of the profession..... what is acceptable as a minimum..... and what is not.... regulation of the client... advocate relationship.... and regulation of advocate to advocate relationship.... so that i do not carry a loaded gun to court... that is why... advocacy....... in the legal sense...... is considered a profession........ as opposed to blogging....... tho' in some circles...... it's almost one ....... this is where the minimum standards are set... and defined in law..... so when.... TRS......... breaks these regulations....... the law defines that... LSK.... can act to protect the public..... and his colleagues.........wheter in court or in his chambers...... from his unprofessional ways....... I'm the real Massey F.....shut your mouth I'm the real Massey Fergu...... Shut your mouth....*
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Kamaa		#65 Posted : Friday, August 21, 2009 8:03:00 AM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/6/2007 Posts: 1,177 Location: Nairobi - Kenya		@ TRS so in short you're saying advocacy isn't liberalized..? you've heard me.. When you hear what I say, you will not understand. When you see what I do, you will not comprehend
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The Real Shaft		#66 Posted : Friday, August 21, 2009 8:12:00 AM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/19/2008 Posts: 839		yes.... in the sense where...... 'not liberalized' means 'not de-regulated'.... we are one of the most conservative professions..... where we have rules against...... advertising..... and that is the main reason why we set minimum charges..... if we are to open up the profession... eg US..... we would not have to set minimum charges....... the market demands are such that... to swear an affidavit.... one would have to charge a minimum of 1500/- ..... to make any economic sense..... et cetera.... sadly,... we remain a profession.... that has standards set in such manner..... as the clients.... or consumers of our products and services are not consulted...... i mean.... you are simply not 'learned' enough.... ...... I'm the real Massey F.....shut your mouth I'm the real Massey Fergu...... Shut your mouth....
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Kamaa		#67 Posted : Friday, August 21, 2009 8:30:00 AM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/6/2007 Posts: 1,177 Location: Nairobi - Kenya		@ TRS you have pulled a nice one on me... but again,i know something you don't... you've heard me.. When you hear what I say, you will not understand. When you see what I do, you will not comprehend
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The Real Shaft		#68 Posted : Friday, August 21, 2009 10:10:00 AM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/19/2008 Posts: 839		Kamaa.... what you think I don't know..... you don't know... that.. I know..... And who better to pull one on you.....??? imagine if your priest or your doctor did...??? you would be dead.... a) ....... spiritually.... b) ....... biologically.... a lawyer is the safest bet .... any day..... I'm the real Massey F.....shut your mouth I'm the real Massey Fergu...... Shut your mouth....*
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jaheim		#69 Posted : Friday, August 21, 2009 1:40:00 PM
Rank: Member Joined: 10/11/2008 Posts: 134		I do agree real shaft,in that case the guy got me,ought to have consulted but i knew no one hence someone took advantage. I aint complaining though,he got his cut well and good but now i know and everytime i come to kenya i'm very skeptical over so many things but thats life not every one makes a honesty buck Jay
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The Real Shaft		#70 Posted : Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:46:00 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/19/2008 Posts: 839		to avoid similar harrowing experiences..... get a lawyer you can trust with your interests..... and.. am quite certain.... the fees wont be as punitive.... I'm the real Massey F.....shut your mouth I'm the real Massey Fergu...... Shut your mouth....
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Kamaa		#71 Posted : Sunday, August 23, 2009 3:10:00 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/6/2007 Posts: 1,177 Location: Nairobi - Kenya		@ TRS well concluded... you've heard me.. When you hear what I say, you will not understand. When you see what I do, you will not comprehend
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Kamaa		#72 Posted : Monday, August 24, 2009 8:08:00 AM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/6/2007 Posts: 1,177 Location: Nairobi - Kenya		@ djinn hahaha... but are lawyers pinchpenny? you've heard me.. When you hear what I say, you will not understand. When you see what I do, you will not comprehend
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The Real Shaft		#73 Posted : Monday, August 24, 2009 8:53:00 AM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/19/2008 Posts: 839		I have a rejoinder.... Q. What would happen when there are more lawyers on earth.....??? A. Judgment day would be a judicial process..... I'm the real Massey F.....shut your mouth I'm the real Massey Fergu...... Shut your mouth....
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Djinn		#74 Posted : Monday, August 24, 2009 11:22:00 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 11/13/2008 Posts: 1,565		@Kamaa - when I first saw this post,more so the words 'affordable lawyer' - I indicated it is an oxymoron (like 'honest politician'....sorry TRS but I surmise that MOST lawyers have the same relationship that mara crossing wildebeest have with the crocodiles....taking advantage of others misfortunes The problem with equality is that we desire that it be with those that have more than us rather that those that have less
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The Real Shaft		#75 Posted : Monday, August 24, 2009 2:13:00 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/19/2008 Posts: 839		djinn.... i dont know about that.... as I haven't had the chance to employ the services of a lawyer....... try getting into the mode of asking legal advice ...... before action.... a service called 'preventive lawyering'...... moreorless...... looking before you leap........ which I do...... it saves you a bucket load of cash....... analogy..... if you have a small cavity... a timely visit to the dentist will save you from much more than pain..... a stitch in time saves you from TRS and his ilk...... I'm the real Massey F.....shut your mouth I'm the real Massey Fergu...... Shut your mouth....*
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