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ALL HAIL THE SOLOMONIC WISDOM OF MR Marende!!
McReggae
#21 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 9:41:03 AM
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Those who said no to the constitution have united with the water melons to show the real face of IMPUNITY!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
si_cheki_ovyo_ovyo
#22 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 9:43:32 AM
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TAZ wrote:
Politics is about numbers which Rao doesn't have at the moment....UK, Ruto & Co still have the numbers to reject any nominees Raila comes up with in parliament. You might hate these two but they know they have all the support they need to worry the PM.


then they should use their 'numbers' to stop digging.

if the nominees can be persons who are not affiliated to any side as we kenyans want, they will be hard pressed to reject that person.

if they do, it will be a confirmation to the world that kenyas parliament is up to no good. they will have dug a little deeper. they will effectively hasten the hague process they are so desperate to avoid. then the pm will be relaxing in kibera selling mandazi as they rot in cells.

strategic thinking is clearly not their strong points. brute force is.
kadonye
#23 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 9:48:40 AM
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@sicheki, parliaments role is not bribing you. This role has developed slowly due to the ordinary kenyans thirst for free stuff and corruption. The CDF thing came up because kenyans were emptying their Mps accounts with their beggar mentality. @rahatupu, i hear you, but i dont think there is any impunity here. As mukiha has pointed out, we are now in uncertain times. We might have other such cases soon.
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Njore
#24 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 9:49:23 AM
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I do not see the Solomonic wisdom that our good Speaker applied in this matter. This was natural common sense! As I see it, the current impasse is the cornerstone of the whole implementation of our new Constitution. Kenya won!
McReggae
#25 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 9:51:47 AM
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On the ruling I don't think there was anything solomonic, coz the High Court, The Judicial Commission, All civil societies and the Commission on Implementation of The constitution all reached the same decision. Marende just added to that huge pile.........even the though the kings of impunity still have to see the PM's hand in it!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
innairobi
#26 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 9:57:05 AM
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Wise ruling. But chances are the politics will only get worse. If the allegiances in parliament stay as they are, the ethnic dimension will rear its ugly head again when the vanquished reject any nominee from the PM's and Mudavadi's home turf. That would be sad cause the country will only become further polarized on ethnic lines. Maybe this is a good opportunity for minority communities to serve in a key position such as CJ as a compromise.
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McReggae
#27 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 10:03:03 AM
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......"If the speaker flouted the constitution by his ruling, wouldn’t it be of national benefit for Ruto to clearly elucidate this fact? Yapping as opposed to constructive argument can mislead the populace that wishes to rely upon and trust our leaders. Furthermore, the body language and speech by Uhuru smacked of a high school student heckling in the dining hall after getting insufficient food"

http://www.eafricainfocu...arende-so-we-can-revolt/
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
Wendz
#28 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 10:21:39 AM
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The more reason why we should have some people already fastening their seatbelts aboard Dutch airlines!

Am not a supporter of RAO. but this stupidity we are seeing with his opponents is just off-putting! Cant Kibaki stand and respect the institutions that have made the decisions and tell everyone to shut up and he starts the process the right way? This is where we call for real men to stand up and be counted! UK and WR have nothing for this country..... all they are doing is fighting to have their exposed behinds covered! Trying to fight Marende in parliaments is trying to bring this country into its knees.... why should we allow some few to behave like this and then tell us that RAO is holding this country in ransom? How is he doing it, may be someone needs to let me understand like a small baby?! If there was consultation, then there will be another one! they are not the ones who are consulting... its Kibaki and Raila! And we havent heard kibaki saying he is tired of "consulting"! What is in it for them that they have to make the loudest noise! They are the noisest telling us what to do with our country when they should be leaving us alone and heading to a land far away in the west!
Jus Blazin
#29 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 10:22:51 AM
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Something doesnt add up. Picture this. Earlier in the month, when Marende passed the issue to the house committees, he asked the principals to meet and agree, and save the country from all this hullabaloo. The principals met, but never agreed. Now the matter has been declared unconstitutional. The principals will have to meet, again. Even with the input of JSC on the CJ, or advertisements on the other offices, what happens if they dont agree on the CJ, AG, DPP, CoB? Someone? Anyone? Advice. Because this is the grim scenario we are facing.
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McReggae
#30 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 10:29:37 AM
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The UK, SKM and WR camp have answers on all national issues. To them anything that goes against their greedy ambitions is definitely ochestrated by Mr Raira. Looking at Uhuru's press briefing yesterday all thier problems emanates from Raila. the O...campo list, the speakers rulings on the fate of the disputed nomination list and had they lost the Kirinyaga By election it would have been Raira. They sleep dreaming of Raira, walk worried about Raira's plot and wake up the following day planning against Raira. A very sad scenario indeed for national leaders.
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
Seeders
#31 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 10:34:09 AM
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if the cycle continues, i think someone can move to court to have parliament dissolved for not adhering to the implementation time lines. problem is IIEC is still an interim body so don't see the courts agreeing.

cant wait to kick this patched up sirikal into the abyss. go to elections vote one guy who we can all squarely pin our beefs with the executive on and the country can quickly move forward.


Jus Blazin wrote:
Something doesnt add up. Picture this. Earlier in the month, when Marende passed the issue to the house committees, he asked the principals to meet and agree, and save the country from all this hullabaloo. The principals met, but never agreed. Now the matter has been declared unconstitutional. The principals will have to meet, again. Even with the input of JSC on the CJ, or advertisements on the other offices, what happens if they dont agree on the CJ, AG, DPP, CoB? Someone? Anyone? Advice. Because this is the grim scenario we are facing.

Karema Hiti
#32 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 11:40:33 AM
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I may be asking for too much and perhaps too late in the day. How else can we dismantle the coalition government? I suppose by asking IIEC to recount the disputed presidential votes and declare who the actual winner was. This unnecessary circus of brinkmanship will come to a permanent end. Kenya oyeeeeeh!
si_cheki_ovyo_ovyo
#33 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 12:08:19 PM
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kadonye wrote:
@sicheki, parliaments role is not bribing you. This role has developed slowly due to the ordinary kenyans thirst for free stuff and corruption. The CDF thing came up because kenyans were emptying their Mps accounts with their beggar mentality. @rahatupu, i hear you, but i dont think there is any impunity here. As mukiha has pointed out, we are now in uncertain times. We might have other such cases soon.



parliament, parliament, parliament....oh brother. are we not the very ones who did not want a parliamentary system? it was the best thing to happen to this country that we dont have a parliamentary system.

CDF you are talking about is now what the mps are emptying. parliament has given itself the role of bribing the citizens. wait and watch the general elections.
ecstacy
#34 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 12:19:33 PM
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What Solomonic wisdom? Marende just wasted precious time and worse presents the same problem again. We still do not have clear guidance as to what constitutes consultation yet they are to consult forcefully.

Meanwhile, the JSC was not consulted let alone the issue of gender balance, facts Marende knew all along! wait..what's the speaker's role in parliament?

The whole debate has largely not been if the law was followed but if RAO was consulted - whatever that means. By admission, he never followed the law himself! Sympathizers here some how forget that.

The Principals need to be censured for lack of leadership and clear legal direction be given as to what happens constitutionally if the Principals fail to agree.
TAZ
#35 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 12:35:33 PM
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ecstacy wrote:
What Solomonic wisdom? Marende just wasted precious time and worse presents the same problem again. We still do not have clear guidance as to what constitutes consultation yet they are to consult forcefully.

Meanwhile, the JSC was not consulted a fact Marende knew all along! wait..what's the speaker's role in parliament?

The whole debate has largely not been if the law was followed but if RAO was consulted - whatever that means. By admission, he never followed the law himself! Sympathizers here some how forget that.

The Principals need to be censured for lack of leadership and clear legal direction be given as to what happens constitutionally if the Principals fail to agree.


Well spoken.....the two Principals got it all wrong, they both decided to consult between themselves without involving the JSC. Has anyone even thought what would have happened had the two agreed on the nominees. These political battle between RAO, UK & Ruto has nothing to do with what's best for the nation....these clowns have their eyes fixed on 2012 elections.
xyzee
#36 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 12:36:40 PM
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@ecstacy

From my understanding if the timelines of implimentation of the constitution are not adhered to, which can arise due to failure of the principals to agree, then anyone is free to go to court and the Court will give a time line within which the same has to be done failure to which parliament is disolved and we go into election.


kivairu
#37 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 4:41:21 PM
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"The Principals need to be censured for lack of leadership and clear legal direction be given as to what happens constitutionally if the Principals fail to agree. [/quote]"



Well said dude....i think formal education is thoroughly overrated in Kenya.Some of the guys misleading us on constitutional matters are actually professors(Kivutha Kibwana), chief advisor, on constitutional matters, to His Excellency, the president.Sometimes i think there's need to elect a 'fundi wa chuma' to positions of leadership, or capenters.So much elitism, that comes out of our formal education, seems to be a fallacy....Even right here , on wazua, there's so much tribal bigotry from the 'enlightened'...just look at arguments advanced regarding the Kibaki list and draw your own conclusions.Outright misinterpretations, intellectual dishonesty depending on tribe or political leanings.... my 2zim dollar thots

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For Sport
#38 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 8:27:41 PM
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Solomonic wisdom...tow mothers fighting over a baby. I wonder how the baby is doing.
ecstacy
#39 Posted : Monday, February 21, 2011 8:19:31 AM
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The Constitutional Court ruling should give this issue some direction. The odds seem stacked against the incumbent.
si_cheki_ovyo_ovyo
#40 Posted : Monday, February 21, 2011 8:31:03 AM
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For Sport wrote:
Solomonic wisdom...tow mothers fighting over a baby. I wonder how the baby is doing.


Baby? What baby? One of the women now wants to stab and kill the other woman.

It was not about the baby. It has never been about the baby. It will never be about the baby. At least to one of the women.
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