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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/23/2010 Posts: 1,229
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I’ve seen nothing but complaints about their products and services in several threads here. Anyone with anything good to say about them (as a business) and this IPO? Here's the link: http://www.capitalfm.co....se-Sh6b-in-IPO-5475.html
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,221 Location: Nairobi
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KES 6-7bn is a lot of money... Considering we just had KPLC [KES 9.5bn], Deacons, I&M Bank [KES 2.4bn], etc... Is there demand for another large IPO? Anyway, I will make a decision AFTER reading the IM. The rest is speculation! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/21/2010 Posts: 514 Location: Nairobi
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[quote=For Sport] I’ve seen nothing but complaints about their products and services in several threads here. Anyone with anything good to say about them (as a business) and this IPO? Here's the link: http://www.capitalfm.co....e-Sh6b-in-IPO-5475.html[/quote] They are selling the holding company and not only the asset management firm that sucks. Their insurance arm is ok. 'They say money cannot buy me happiness but when i compare when i had none and now, i'm happier' Kevin O'leary
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/9/2010 Posts: 894 Location: Nairobi
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i applied for insurance through equity bank and i noticed that this is one of the insurance companies that they have faith in. i dont know if this makes a diference but i will also wait for the I.M Don't wait for the Last Judgment. It happens every day. ~Albert Camus, The Fall, 1956
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/21/2006 Posts: 422 Location: Nairobi
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simple, equity bank is a large shareholder of British American and then british Amrican is also a large shareholder of equity bank, they are just complementing each other and that why equity bank (insurance agency) gives Britak first priority in placing insurance they source........ and vice versa
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/7/2010 Posts: 1,279 Location: nbi
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Its an all round good company. It holds a chunk of Equity and HFCK and is a leader in some of the insurance niches. The key thing for me is what the float says its worth. Because, if its floating 25% to get Ksh7bn, that implies Britak is worth Ksh28bn i.e.the 10th largest NSE share by market. Wapi? The Governor of Nyeri - 2017
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/2/2010 Posts: 1,075
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Transcentury, Britak are related. Funny that they should both announce end of year IPOs just after the Transcentury founder member passes on. Are they trying to offload lemons before an election year? Point to ponder.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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In 2009, British American registered a consolidated loss before tax of Sh334 million compared to a Sh340 million profit in 2008 due poor performance of the NSE, which registered a 34 per cent decline.
The group, in its last annual report said that the decline affected the investment income of the asset management company’s equity portfolio which resulted in a Sh574 million unrealised loss, causing a 23 per cent decline in revenue to Sh118 million in 2009 from Sh154 million in 2008 and a loss after tax of Sh26 million.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/7/2010 Posts: 1,279 Location: nbi
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ze deal-are you sure? Because that would imply it has not fulfilled one of the NSE/CMA requirements for listing i.e. 3 straight ears of profits. The Governor of Nyeri - 2017
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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Wa_ithaka wrote:ze deal-are you sure? Because that would imply it has not fulfilled one of the NSE/CMA requirements for listing i.e. 3 straight ears of profits. Wathaika its an insurance firm...its a monkey in the making...lol http://www.businessdaily.../-/14ug4lkz/-/index.html
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/31/2007 Posts: 304
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Layman wrote:simple, equity bank is a large shareholder of British American and then british Amrican is also a large shareholder of equity bank, they are just complementing each other and that why equity bank (insurance agency) gives Britak first priority in placing insurance they source........ and vice versa Since when did equity own Britak????
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/13/2009 Posts: 1,950 Location: in kenya
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moneydust wrote:
Since when did equity own Britak????
I think its possible for equity to own Britak given that about 67% of Britak is owned by local investors. '......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
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Rank: Chief Joined: 3/24/2010 Posts: 6,779 Location: Black Africa
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Waithaka, I thought it was 3 years of profits in the last 5. Ama? GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/23/2010 Posts: 1,229
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Any advice on how to structure/balance a portfolio in a scenario like this where there are several incestuous relationships between listed firms? I gather that British American, Equity and by extension HFCK are related. Is it wise to hold shares in related companies? (Dumped my HFCK shares a short while ago – still hanging onto Equity bank). And if you’re to set your sights on one, how do you go about analyzing related companies? Aren’t their fortunes tied?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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moneydust wrote:Layman wrote:simple, equity bank is a large shareholder of British American and then british Amrican is also a large shareholder of equity bank, they are just complementing each other and that why equity bank (insurance agency) gives Britak first priority in placing insurance they source........ and vice versa Since when did equity own Britak???? Alot of Britak shareholders are also shareholders of Equity... May be explains why JM sits in Britak's board. Britak owns around 10-15% of Equity if am not wrong.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/31/2007 Posts: 304
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Wendz wrote:moneydust wrote:Layman wrote:simple, equity bank is a large shareholder of British American and then british Amrican is also a large shareholder of equity bank, they are just complementing each other and that why equity bank (insurance agency) gives Britak first priority in placing insurance they source........ and vice versa Since when did equity own Britak???? Alot of Britak shareholders are also shareholders of Equity... May be explains why JM sits in Britak's board. Britak owns around 10-15% of Equity if am not wrong. Have being a shareholder of equity bank since its listing, and in all the AGMs I have attended no mention has ever been made of Equity owning Britak, besides with the stringent CBK financial reporting regulations this would have been mentioned in its financial reports ... as it does with HFCK What I know is that the single largest individual shareholder of Britak (Mr B.Wairegi)has substantial shareholding in equity under his name..in addition to shares held by Britak...It is also said that Equity MD has substantial shares in Britak
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/13/2010 Posts: 869 Location: Nairobi
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Equity and Britak are so linked! And yes, Britak does own a bit of Equity.. ....above all, to stand.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/13/2009 Posts: 1,950 Location: in kenya
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sometime I think some of us unsophisticated investors get duped quite easily.How does a company that is wishing to list move from a loss of 421,123 million to 2.7 billion within a year.Something is not right somewhere,given that most of the profit came from investment income in a market that was very depressed. '......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/30/2006 Posts: 635
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selah wrote:sometime I think some of us unsophisticated investors get duped quite easily.How does a company that is wishing to list move from a loss of 421,123 million to 2.7 billion within a year.Something is not right somewhere,given that most of the profit came from investment income in a market that was very depressed. you reflect my thoughts as well. And to see the accounts were audited by Pricewaterhouse
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/23/2010 Posts: 1,229
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I also dont believe in this sort of miracle. How was the loss of the other year explained? Holds an 11% stake in Equity Bank and 19.9% in HFCK Wairegi says growth prospects in the 30 – 40 % region. Growth projections premised on the low penetration of insurance services on the continent + their plans to expand in the region. Info’s here: http://af.reuters.com/ar...s/idAFJOE72M0EG20110323
http://www.abndigital.co...n-swings-to-2010-profit
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