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KENOL/KOBIL
Aguytrying
#1281 Posted : Tuesday, February 08, 2011 7:51:08 PM
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Good news for kk. In english anyone? I read it, but it was all in law.
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#1282 Posted : Tuesday, February 08, 2011 7:59:04 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Please do not buy KK...

I advocate you do NOT buy KK... until I have finished buying... And I have not...

Forget it.
stocksmaster
#1283 Posted : Tuesday, February 08, 2011 9:29:15 PM
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The degrees of freedom available to KPC are quickly deminishing. I wonder where KPC will get Ksh 5.2B in the next 2 days to beat the court deadline failure to which the temporary stay order lapses.

KK remains a great buy even without the probable KPC windfall.

Happy hunting
BGL
#1284 Posted : Tuesday, February 08, 2011 10:23:47 PM
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KPC quick response here
http://www.businessdaily.../-/j25ygmz/-/index.html

and

http://in2eastafrica.net...t-sh4-6bn-deposit-order/
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2012
#1285 Posted : Wednesday, February 09, 2011 11:08:36 AM
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And who is still selling at 9.80? Is there something we don't know?

BBI will solve it
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mwanahisa
#1286 Posted : Wednesday, February 09, 2011 11:31:07 AM
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2012 wrote:
And who is still selling at 9.80? Is there something we don't know?


People/Institutions sell shares for all sorts of reasons. Remember even as the markets plunged down into the abyss of early 2009, there were still folks who were selling, so don't sweat it.

If you like the counter keep buying but not in very huge lots, so that you can take advantage of any price drops. If you are a keen follower of the counter, you will know when to make the final buy. I bet it will be before they announce last year's results!
BGL
#1287 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 12:37:25 AM
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Confusion mars Sh4.6bn court award to KenolKobil

BY RAWLINGS OTINI AND JOHN GACHIRI

Confusion has gripped the award of Sh4.6 billion to KenolKobil after Kenya Pipeline Company (KPC) said it would not pay the money as the oil marketer warned that it would repossess the pipeline’s property after tomorrow. Lady Justice Philomena Mwilu, in a ruling delivered on January 28, said the proceedings would be temporarily halted to allow KPC deposit in court an equivalent of the lump sum awarded to the oil marketer by an arbitrator. This followed a dispute over a transportation and storage agreement the marketer had signed with KPC. The judge ordered KPC to deposit the funds in a reputable and interest-earning bankand in the joint names of both KenolKobil and KPC advocateswithin 14 days. Yesterday, KenolKobil through its lawyers asked KPC to facilitate the transfer of the funds to a joint account before the lapse of the deadline today. “The 14 days expire on Thursday February 10th 2011. It is therefore necessary and urgent that we open the joint account before then,” Kenol’s lawyers, Sharpley Barret wrote to KPC’s lawyers, Ochieng, Onyango, Kibet & Ohanga Advocates. “We are instructed to notify your client, which we hereby do, of our client’s intention to effect execution promptly on expiration of the said period of 14 days, if the full amount will not have been deposited in accordance with the orders of the High Court.” Fresh tussle But KPC lawyers John Ohaga yesterday told the Business Daily the money will not be paid, setting the stage for a protracted legal battle between the two protagonists. “The Sh4.6 billion will not be paid since we will not allow them (KenolKobil) to extort. No way,” said Mr Ohaga. “KPC is a public company expending public monies in discharging its statutory duties and a requirement for it to make such large deposits imposed by the court would severely undermine the firm’s ability to effectively fulfil its core mandate,” said Mr Ohaga on Tuesday. On December 10, 2009, arbitrator Ahmednasir Abdullahi, ordered KPC to pay KenolKobil Sh4.6 billion for breach of contract. Mr Abdullahi said the award was damages for loss of consumer and financial goodwill, cost of public relations and marketing campaign. He ruled that the corporation breached the transportation and storage agreement by allowing the collapsed Triton Petroleum to use its facility, at Kipevu in Mombasa, as a warehouse. Yesterday, at the Nairobi Stock Exchange, the KenolKobil share reacted little to the news of the award as it stood at Sh9.80 compared to Tuesday’s closing price of Sh9.80. “The market is still waiting for the final results of the ruling,” said Deris Mugoi, an analyst at Standard Investment Bank. “KenolKobil’s share price has been paralysed at Sh9.90-Sh9.80 levels since the beginning of the year, but it has traded heavy volumes.”
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VituVingiSana
#1288 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 1:02:31 AM
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So if KPC defies a COURT ORDER...

Lawyers... what now?
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Aguytrying
#1289 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 8:08:04 AM
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2012 wrote:
And who is still selling at 9.80? Is there something we don't know?

market are trully irrational, they would rather buy a good share when its going up and sell when its going down. Same ppl selling now, may be the buyers at 11 plus.
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Aguytrying
#1290 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 8:11:05 AM
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Today is thursday, today is the deadline, lets see how it unfolds. There must be ppl in kpc, who haven't slept a wink! Kk is not a company to play with, what!
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#1291 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 8:11:48 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
So if KPC defies a COURT ORDER...

Lawyers... what now?

@vvs; If KK finally gets the 4.6bn which seems elusive, it'll be great to us shareholders. What I'm sure of is that KK's financial results for 2010 will be better than those of 2009.
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mkonomtupu
#1292 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 8:23:01 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
So if KPC defies a COURT ORDER...

Lawyers... what now?


Simple the stay of execution lapses and the KK can send in auctioneers to sell the assets of KPC. There is still time before the auctioneers can move in maybe 14 days from today. Its unlikely to happen I expect the lawyers for KPC have rushed to the court of appeal to modify the requirement to deposit the cash and may be granted the option of putting a bank guarantee, which is really better even for KK coz i don't think even if you sell the assets of KPC you will be able to get that amount of cash through auction.
mlennyma
#1293 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 9:10:52 AM
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Kk might end up owning kpc...this is longtime money.
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youcan'tstopusnow
#1294 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 9:23:02 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
So if KPC defies a COURT ORDER...

Lawyers... what now?

The judiciary is still controlled by the executive, and so KPC might move to court and get a ruling favourable to them, temporarily. This looks like it will drag on for another year or two
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selah
#1295 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 9:35:38 AM
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Aguytrying wrote:
2012 wrote:
And who is still selling at 9.80? Is there something we don't know?

market are trully irrational, they would rather buy a good share when its going up and sell when its going down. Same ppl selling now, may be the buyers at 11 plus.


In my opinion I think with the current acquisitions KK has embarked on its obvious it might impact on its profitability this financial year so in the short term I think its share price will be depressed until those operations start contributing in its balance sheet.
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2012
#1296 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 10:01:33 AM
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selah wrote:
In my opinion I think with the current acquisitions KK has embarked on its obvious it might impact on its profitability this financial year so in the short term I think its share price will be depressed until those operations start contributing in its balance sheet.


I don't think that will be the case, these acquisitions are already in the balance sheet as assets which raise the company value and hence the shareholder's value. I think it's just a matter of time before this is properly factored in and the upsurge begins. On this one I can gladly say that the raise is inevitable.

BBI will solve it
:)
stocksmaster
#1297 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 10:10:35 AM
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mkonomtupu wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
So if KPC defies a COURT ORDER...

Lawyers... what now?


Simple the stay of execution lapses and the KK can send in auctioneers to sell the assets of KPC. There is still time before the auctioneers can move in maybe 14 days from today. Its unlikely to happen I expect the lawyers for KPC have rushed to the court of appeal to modify the requirement to deposit the cash and may be granted the option of putting a bank guarantee, which is really better even for KK coz i don't think even if you sell the assets of KPC you will be able to get that amount of cash through auction.


Is it a must for KK to auction the assets if they were to take over KPC? It would be wise to just form a holding company that would run KPC. But it is unlikely to get to this point.

However, it does not make sense why KPC has to wait until the last day/expiry of the court order for them to act? The court order was made on the 28th of January 2011!!

Happy hunting.
mkonomtupu
#1298 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 11:56:42 AM
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@stocksmaster, Actually what the court stopped on 28th Jan was the auctioning of KPC assets on condition they paid the 4.6b into a joint account within 14 days from 28th January. Since KPC cannot fulfill that condition then the orders lapse and KK is at liberty to proceed and seize and auction the assets.

That is the only way you auction the assets and seize the bank accounts.This is what KK lawyers meant by saying “We are instructed to notify your client, which we hereby do, of our client’s intention to effect execution promptly on expiration of the said period of 14 days, if the full amount will not have been deposited in accordance with the orders of the High Court.”

If we had chapter 11 this is the time you file for protection to reorganize. The only way KPC can get out is to get a senior lawyer to have the court of appeal hear them urgently.Obviously expect a fuel shortgage if KPC assets are auctioned. I don't think gova would allow this.

VituVingiSana
#1299 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 1:17:42 PM
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@mkonomtupu - I disagree with "Obviously expect a fuel shortgage if KPC assets are auctioned."

IMHO, KK can run the pipeline [even with the EXISTING employees] much better than KPC. Once KK installs its own people... the pipeline throughput would be up a minimum 20-30% within 12-18 months!

In the short-term there may be disruptions but the OMCs will come together to sort it out! Better than GoK, MoE or KPC...
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jerry
#1300 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:55:26 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
@mkonomtupu - I disagree with "Obviously expect a fuel shortgage if KPC assets are auctioned."

IMHO, KK can run the pipeline [even with the EXISTING employees] much better than KPC. Once KK installs its own people... the pipeline throughput would be up a minimum 20-30% within 12-18 months!

In the short-term there may be disruptions but the OMCs will come together to sort it out! Better than GoK, MoE or KPC...

Methinks the best option is to enjoin KK inthe ownership of KPC and let KK manage KPC until they(KK) recover their 4.6B. If the order is to auction, both KK and KPC will lose out. KPC will lose more than KK and KK cannot bid in the auction.
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