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30yr bond at 12%. Any takers?
Kirika
#11 Posted : Tuesday, February 08, 2011 11:32:23 AM
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Like someone has just said the Insurance Cos. will buy the bond using our money and give us 8% p.a. But hey it's a Capitalist world where there's always a greater fool.

I think its a better option than the Insurance Products being hawked all over. The interest should have atleast been 15%, atleast given the duration.
Stealth
#12 Posted : Tuesday, February 08, 2011 11:47:23 AM
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its better than what many insurance co's are giving. Plus if you have the cash and don't feel like playing the market, why not. As @ 2012 said if you have 2m, then you've got school fees for some good school.
maka
#13 Posted : Tuesday, February 08, 2011 12:46:31 PM
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12% return isnt that bad lets say u buy those NHC house @ 5.5 million with rental income of between 30 - 40k a month thts around 360k to 480 k per year invest that same amount in the bond you will be receiving a return of 660k even if u remove tax its way better than buying the house...
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2012
#14 Posted : Tuesday, February 08, 2011 12:49:19 PM
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Kirika wrote:

The interest should have atleast been 15%, atleast given the duration.


Ati 15%? And you'll still expect banks to give mortgages at below 15% while they can put it here where there's guaranteed returns?

I personally don't think it's too bad after all and if I'm not wrong if you compound 1m at 12.5% x30yrs it's well over 30m. Fantastic way to save for retirement ama?

BBI will solve it
:)
msimon
#15 Posted : Tuesday, February 08, 2011 2:58:52 PM
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2012 wrote:
Kirika wrote:

The interest should have atleast been 15%, atleast given the duration.


Ati 15%? And you'll still expect banks to give mortgages at below 15% while they can put it here where there's guaranteed returns?

I personally don't think it's too bad after all and if I'm not wrong if you compound 1m at 12.5% x30yrs it's well over 30m. Fantastic way to save for retirement ama?

You know, there's a greater probability that in the next 30yrs, you could buy that bond at 90 and a slight probability that you could also buy it at 80. Now if your patient and you consider getting good returns for your shilling. I think you could wait and buy it over the next 30 yrs at say 80. Markets can be irrational.
kizee1
#16 Posted : Tuesday, February 08, 2011 3:46:53 PM
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maka wrote:
12% return isnt that bad lets say u buy those NHC house @ 5.5 million with rental income of between 30 - 40k a month thts around 360k to 480 k per year invest that same amount in the bond you will be receiving a return of 660k even if u remove tax its way better than buying the house...



though rental income will not remain static for the next 30years, the coupon however will
2012
#17 Posted : Tuesday, February 08, 2011 3:52:32 PM
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kizee1 wrote:
though rental income will not remain static for the next 30years, the coupon however will


It might go up or down, sometimes you'll have a tenant other times not, it might burn down, might be on a road reserve, the massais might want their land back, some dude could come up with another title deed... So please don't say there's no risk.

BBI will solve it
:)
kizee1
#18 Posted : Wednesday, February 09, 2011 10:58:14 AM
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2012 wrote:
kizee1 wrote:
though rental income will not remain static for the next 30years, the coupon however will


It might go up or down, sometimes you'll have a tenant other times not, it might burn down, might be on a road reserve, the massais might want their land back, some dude could come up with another title deed... So please don't say there's no risk.



theres also a risk that in 30 years teh country u know as kenya may cease to exist.....if u think im talkin nonesense ask the guys holdin the ivory coast euro bond..this argument is not about risk per se..its about return
2012
#19 Posted : Wednesday, February 09, 2011 11:14:58 AM
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kizee1 wrote:
theres also a risk that in 30 years teh country u know as kenya may cease to exist.....


And which tenant will agree to continue paying you rent in this situation? How much will the Kes that you are holding be worth? It is upon you and me to make sure that scenario doesn't occur otherwise no investment will make sense even being a refugee somewhere with $1m.

BBI will solve it
:)
MatataMingi
#20 Posted : Wednesday, February 09, 2011 4:54:26 PM
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@ All
I tend to agree with @ Kizee1. 12% is TOO low for 30 years.
If you look at the latest 10 year bond dated 31/1/2011, the coupon was 9.307%. However the yield was higher at 9.683%.
Interesting fact was that bids were 17,694 Billion. However CBK only accepted 1,086 Billion. That is only just over 6% of bids !!!

Why. I think investors have seen that the government is hungry for local funds. The investors sense this and putting in higher bids.

If you look at the 91/ 182/364/ trend, yields have been going up since Oct. 2010.
I dont see this trend changing any time soon.

Also dont forget that in 2008, 182 day bills were paying about 9%

It IMO that the 30 year bond will have a lot of bids, but CBK will only accept a very little proportion. Unless it is in dire needs of funds.

Which ever way it goes the coupon is 12%, but the actual yield will be much higher - maybe 14%.

I think in a few years, we may see 2 year bonds giving 9% yields.
My 2 cents - though I manage a few clients who invest with CBK.
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