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The Real Shaft
#11 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:05:00 PM
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kweli...

but with light traveling through different media....

the speed would vary ..............

won't it....???

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kingfisher
#12 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:27:00 PM
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These numbers are very confusing.......but let me try what i have so far gathered from the posts below


Now we all know that our space science is not older than 200 years (not light years).......

@gizzard wrote

'The closest galaxy the Adromeda is located at 23,652,000,000,000,000,000km which is equivalent to 2,500,000light years from the Milky Way galaxy.'

1 light year is the distance that light travels in one year.......correct me if am wrong??

so 2,500,000light years is the distance light travelles in 2,500,000years..............again correct me if am wrong??






How does one determine that a particular lay of light has been travelling for those 2,500,000 years and it source was imelda???


assuming that we sent a lay of light toward to some distance object like this imelda star and is reflected back,it means that the 'echo' will get back to us after 2,500,000 x 2 = 5,000,000 years.........again correct me if am wrong??

The first known practically functioning telescopes were invented in the Netherlands at the beginning of the 17th century in the year 1611 AD(see wiki).

Assuming that this very first telescope was capable of doing what today's telescopes like hubby can,and it sent some lays of light to explore the universe,those lays by now should only have travelled for 2009-1611 = 398 light years!!!

If an 'echo' of such a lay is received back today then the source can only be 398 / 2 = 149 light years!!!

Sasa hii 2,500,000 light years ya imelda imepimwa lini na kivipi??

hii quantum science mimi naona ni kama fiction!!!



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daimyo
#13 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:44:00 PM
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@ TRS,

thats right...due to the limited nature of our technological advances here on earth,nobody can really say anything authoritatively about stuff out there in space....not NASA,not Russians,not Japanese,not anyone. So the theories that have worked so well on earth and objects very near (like the moon)can only approximate when it comes to bodies very far away in the galaxies....thats why the figures are fabulous and things sound like fiction....you will no doubt have heard of the massive black hole suspected to be at the very center of our galaxy,the Milky Way!.....who believes there are black holes out there..?
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:23:00 PM
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Amazing stuff this space science thing.

@Hi-lo,I have never thought about the idea of technology developing enough speed to stop time,outside the sci-fi movies.

Based on the whole gravity pull theory,there is obviously a black hole at the centre of every galaxy to hold the stars in place.

Do you think humans will be able to develop technology to escape before they are sucked into the black holes,as its bound to happen. May be that will be the wrath of God.


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Kaigangio
#15 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:44:00 PM
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@ Kingfisher,

i am not an astronomer and i only quoted the much that is already known...the scientists have been using different methods of determining the interplanetary and intergalactic distances of the closer and far away ones....

Some of the methods that they use,you will find them here: http://www.astronomynotes.com/galaxy/chindex.htm: http://www.astronomynotes.com/galaxy/s7.htm: http://www.spacetoday.or...ons/HubbleConstant.html

More often than not the ditances that they have calculated using the same methods for small distances (upto 300million kilometres) are within the acceptable limits of computation errors....A good example is the Path Finder craft that was sent to Mars (230million kilometres from earth). This distance was used to calculate the fuel of the space craft required,the speed limits,the jouney time etc. once the PF landed and sent a signal back to earth it took about13 minutes for the signal to be received on earth. This confirms the accuracy of their computation methods.

@ shaft,

You are right that in different mediums the speed of light may change,but the changes are insignificant when we consider the space mainly because most of the space is considered a vacuum. So fall all practical and experimental purposes the speed of light is considered constant and therefore at a constant propagation frequency only the wavelength changes....




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mv ufanisi
#16 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:48:00 PM
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this is quite special!!!

So anyway does that mean that we can see the past - i.e. even stuff that happened on earth???? if we developed the knowledge?

That should put to rest a lot of human mysteries - the ancient Egyptians etc.

The nerds and physicists should educate on this matter
drzhivago
#17 Posted : Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:44:00 AM
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a curious question on this topic is: if am seeing my past that long ago when i look at the distant stars/galaxies,what would happen if i (hypothetically) had the ability to travel there at this instant? would i see two of me?

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daimyo
#18 Posted : Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:57:00 AM
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the paradox of the dark night sky goes like this.....


if the universe is full of stars that shine bright like the sun,then we on earth can assume that it's like we are in the middle of a dense forest and every direction u turn you are bound to see a tree trunk...thus we on earth should always be showered with light all over from the billions of stars surrounding us,everywhere u turn ur eyes should fall on a star...but at night it becomes dark and the sky has no light except the moon's....how is this?
Kaigangio
#19 Posted : Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:58:00 AM
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@ drzhivago,

which place is 'there'? a point in space or an infinitely far off galaxy?

If you contemplate traveling at speed of light you may never reach there....reason: as you approach the speed of light you disappear. this is consistent with the concept of the 'space shrinkage' as a result of very high speed....at low speeds it is negligible and insignificant...

BTW there is no known matter be it animate or inanimate which has ever travelled at a speed of light....only electrons can achieve 90% of the speed of light when accelerated through an extremely high electric field...


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Pierce
#20 Posted : Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:11:00 PM
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MV Ufanisi......nice name!
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