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Riverside or Madaraka estate rental property!
Seles83
#1 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 3:33:46 AM
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Fellas,

I am totally confused on which property to go for:

Madaraka NHC Apartments:
2Bdr 5.5 million- rental income 25-30k
3Bdr 7.25 million- rental income 35-40k
Estimated Completion Date: Dec 2011

Riverside Drive (Riverside Pointe)
-2bdr 9.95m- rental income 60-70k
Estimated Competion date: June 2012

Although madaraka house have low effective rental yield i assume the area has less vacancy rate as compared to 60k to 70k apartment which has got 7% rental yield.

- Please advice on which property you would go for...and your reasons for short term or long terms positions..

Thanks mates!!

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njamba
#2 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 7:31:07 AM
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Forgive me for hijacking your thread. I also looked at those houses but decided to wait when i read about this story

http://www.businessdaily.../-/15ijaa2/-/index.html

What effect do wazua members think the move by nhc to use low cost blocks will have on the prices of brick and mortar houses? The businessdaily article claims the cost of building may reduce by up to 40% with the new technology
Seles83
#3 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 7:40:17 AM
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Thanks for posting the link...@Njamba whats your take on my dilemma...
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Seles83
#4 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 8:54:09 AM
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Guys surely above 100 views with no comments...
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Wa_ithaka
#5 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 8:59:37 AM
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Won't bother with the 3bdr in Madarak. You pay an additional 2m for 120k maximum extra annual income.
The riverside deal is tempting if you have the cash.
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Seles83
#6 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 9:05:13 AM
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Wa_ithaka wrote:
Won't bother with the 3bdr in Madarak. You pay an additional 2m for 120k maximum extra annual income.
The riverside deal is tempting if you have the cash.


The only problem with riverside the occupancy rate may not be very high..
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Wa_ithaka
#7 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 9:07:28 AM
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Seles-ou are buying one flat not 100s. You can find a tenant.

Otherwise go for the Madaraka flat. Mind you, rent doesn't go up as fast in Madaraka as it would at riverside
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Papa Investor
#8 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 9:10:32 AM
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As you said...its a balance between assured but lower yield and riskier but higher yield...Madaraka is excellently located...but the rents in the area have been depressed because of water issues and the old flats which are an eyesore..if they do manage the above 2 issues...rent for 3 bed can be as high as 40-50k (look how much new properties in Nrb west and South B rent out for)....just remember the higher the rent the higher the probability of encountering vacancies 10% of the time which will lower your effective rental yields...
bwenyenye
#9 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 9:22:27 AM
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@ Sales83

What you have is a good problem. However, think like an invester as far as returns are concerned. I would look at it this way

a) I'm I looking to buy the property as an investment or home?( Do I want to move into the house in future?
If for home, look at the environment, schools , job etc
IF for rent, then

1) If you can get the 9.9M house, then you should be able to get 2 5.5 M houses for rental ( forget the 3 bed). So the real comparable costs and returns would be 60-70K Vs 2*(25-30K). This is as far as rental income goes. Generally, the working class will pay more for houses near their work places to avoid Jams that are now endemic. This tells me that very soon, there will be an upward pressure on rental houses in Mada.

2) The element of capital gains also kicks in and it is more likey that you would get higher returns on capital on lower cost houses than on higher cost houses. In this way , you are then able to offload one house to clear the other in a very short time especially in new housing.( also note that Mada rents have been depressed due to the attachment to CCN and NHC battles. The new houses will be a different ballgame all together.

3) HassConsult did a survery ( last week) that indicated that high cost apartments have had the biggest hit on rental returns stagnation due to the high numbers provided.

I believe you get my drift!
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Seles83
#10 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 9:35:37 AM
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Thanks guys for your advice...i believe the NHC houses will drive up the rents prices in madaraka area and also change the face of the area.

I am out of the country at the moment, so the investment will be purely rental..@bwenyenye i think your idea of 2 apartments for 5.5million makes alot of sense.

Will contact NHC to see whether they will address the water shortage problem and etc...
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Seles83
#11 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 9:40:45 AM
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Papa Investor wrote:
As you said...its a balance between assured but lower yield and riskier but higher yield...Madaraka is excellently located...but the rents in the area have been depressed because of water issues and the old flats which are an eyesore..if they do manage the above 2 issues...rent for 3 bed can be as high as 40-50k (look how much new properties in Nrb west and South B rent out for)....just remember the higher the rent the higher the probability of encountering vacancies 10% of the time which will lower your effective rental yields...


How much do the new apartments in Nairobi west and south c go rent for?

I love the location of madaraka it is close to stratmore, Nairobi west pubs, Tmall,CBD and Upperhill.

It will be for purely rental purposes..

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youcan'tstopusnow
#12 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 7:46:41 PM
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NHC is building new 2-bedroom houses in Nairobi West just before T-Mall. How much do they go for? NHC are not indicating the prices on their website
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Seles83
#13 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 10:40:02 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
NHC is building new 2-bedroom houses in Nairobi West just before T-Mall. How much do they go for? NHC are not indicating the prices on their website


Their website has been down, for sometime now since sunday evening..typical kenya style someone must be sleeping on job..some links are not updates and some files are corrupt!!

Anyways apartment 2bdr - 5.5 and 3bdr 7m and 7.25m respectively..

Be blessed..
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gatoho
#14 Posted : Tuesday, February 08, 2011 1:34:15 AM
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Anyways apartment 2bdr - 5.5 and 3bdr 7m and 7.25m respectively..



3 prices for 2bed and 3 bed respectively kinda confusing

Does NHC do financing or you have to source for yourself?
Foresight..
Seles83
#15 Posted : Tuesday, February 08, 2011 1:47:11 AM
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gatoho wrote:


Anyways apartment 2bdr - 5.5 and 3bdr 7m and 7.25m respectively..



3 prices for 2bed and 3 bed respectively kinda confusing

Does NHC do financing or you have to source for yourself?


From my understanding it is a direct sale, not a tenant purchase scheme.

The prospective buyer should pay cash or get a liaise with banks for financing..
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Injere
#16 Posted : Tuesday, February 08, 2011 7:55:32 AM
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Good discussion going on here.

What do you guys think of Nyayo Estate? There are new units coming up for delivery in June i understand - not sure if they are all gone?

What are the rentals and market price like for a 3br m/s?
Seles83
#17 Posted : Tuesday, February 08, 2011 8:02:18 AM
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Injere wrote:
Good discussion going on here.

What do you guys think of Nyayo Estate? There are new units coming up for delivery in June i understand - not sure if they are all gone?

What are the rentals and market price like for a 3br m/s?


I personally like Nyayo estate concept and management style..The only problem i have on them it is location and number of houses. The 3bdr appartments have become so many affecting ROI. A 3bd apartment goes for ~25k for (4.5-5.5m) house.

On availability a little bird tell me the remaining blocks have been booked by the government for its military staff..
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youcan'tstopusnow
#18 Posted : Tuesday, February 08, 2011 12:43:01 PM
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Seles83 wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
NHC is building new 2-bedroom houses in Nairobi West just before T-Mall. How much do they go for? NHC are not indicating the prices on their website


Their website has been down, for sometime now since sunday evening..typical kenya style someone must be sleeping on job..some links are not updates and some files are corrupt!!

Anyways apartment 2bdr - 5.5 and 3bdr 7m and 7.25m respectively..

Be blessed..

Asante ndugu
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Seles83
#19 Posted : Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:11:20 AM
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Hi Fellas,

Did anyone of you guys buy into NHC Madaraka Housing Scheme Phase I or II? Are you guys happy with the construction progress and final finish? and for those who bought Phase I, how much does a 3br and 2br apartment fetch in terms of rental market rates?
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Stine
#20 Posted : Thursday, August 30, 2012 11:14:36 AM
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Check out Imara Gardens Apartments next to Riara school in Imara. They are pretty good apartments 3br house + guest room at 7.4M, they were increasing the amount I don't know how much they are selling for now. Estimated rent is 45k. They also have 2br going for 6. something. They are really worth looking at..
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