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Judiciary rejects KIBAKI's appointees
Seeders
#21 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 1:33:18 PM
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operation 2012

- no one has the 50+1 so far.

- at this rate, the 2012 polls will definitely head for a run off.

- there is a likelihood that the difference between the 2 candidates in the runoff will be less than 10%.

- this is kenya. an election petition is 100% certain if there is a runoff.

- the CJ will be the head of the Supreme Court and chair of the JSC. will have some influence on the petition verdict.

- each side would want to pull a Gbagbo or a Bush if it comes down to the wire.
FundamentAli
#22 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 2:55:00 PM
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A very interesting scenario has been created. It would now be difficult to give other people the job. What do you do with the one nominated? Do you say they are all bad? DOn't they deserve a chance? PNU and ODM were huggling each one wanting one of their own. All name discussed were ignored. If someone tries to push for those names, they will surely look very bad now. Interesting to see what happens next.
Obi 1 Kanobi
#23 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 3:09:20 PM
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2012 wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
We have a case where a sitting president has posibly trashed the constitution and you are busy here praising his ingenuity.

Kweli nguruwe hujipika na mafuta yake.


Don't be too emotional, don't get carried away, this is Kenyan politics. Don't forget that Kibs has nothing to lose and will be retiring next year. He can afford to test the waters especially now that his immediate rival is down and out. Let's await the next opinion poll, I'm sure this time the tables have more flipped over.


What do you mean he has nothing to lose, the only thing MK now wants is the respect of the nation, if he loses this he will spend his last days a very sad man. look at poor old Moi, he may still intimidate, but he does not get anyone's respect.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
Obi 1 Kanobi
#24 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 3:15:33 PM
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extrablessed wrote:
"2012. As mutahi ngunyi would say, Kibbs has no interest in the appointments and he does not care who gets those positions. He is a winner whether the nominees are approved or are not... All he wanted was to convince the AU to defer the ICC trials while RAO was against that...The rest are sideshows...


MK does care who takes up those seats, thats why he decided to nominate them in the first place, there is no "political maskirovka" here, it was simply a case of poor advise leading to bad choices, if the list is rejected, then he will have lost a great deal.

The AU endorsement of ICC deferral means very little, he still needs to go past the veto powers of UK, US and France in the security council, what will he trade this time. I doubt the African representatives in the council will be willing to stick their necks out too far to horse trade for the sake of the 6 Kenyans.

I assume the general desire of Kenyans is to see those responsible for PEV headed to the hague so even if he were to succeed, he would lose much more than his 6 beloved victims.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
willin2learn
#25 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 3:30:51 PM
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extrablessed wrote:
"2012. As mutahi ngunyi would say, Kibbs has no interest in the appointments and he does not care who gets those positions. He is a winner whether the nominees are approved or are not... All he wanted was to convince the AU to defer the ICC trials while RAO was against that...The rest are sideshows...


You took this off my mouth! We were all so busy dissecting the list that the 'shuttle diplomacy' battle that was reaching crescendo on Thursday was forgotten!!
2012
#26 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 4:20:17 PM
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extrablessed wrote:
"2012. As mutahi ngunyi would say, Kibbs has no interest in the appointments and he does not care who gets those positions. He is a winner whether the nominees are approved or are not... All he wanted was to convince the AU to defer the ICC trials while RAO was against that...The rest are sideshows...



I think RO's failure in Ivory Coast has really hurt his persona internationally. In politics you goof and the wolfs pounce, look at how Kalonzo is smiling after trouncing RO in the continental turf.

BBI will solve it
:)
McReggae
#27 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 4:27:24 PM
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2012 wrote:
[quote=extrablessed]"2012. I think RO's failure in Ivory Coast has really hurt his persona internationally. In politics you goof and the wolfs pounce, look at how Kalonzo is smiling after trouncing RO in the continental turf.


....laughable at best!!!!!
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FundamentAli
#28 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 4:35:20 PM
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How can the Judiciary be complaining while they are the subject matter? Wako and Gicheru who are members of JSC have an interest in the appointments as it is about their jobs and when do they go home. Kibaki has caught them by surprise. It is time to go home guys. We have just stripped MPs the power to decide their own salaries. Why then should we let the Judiciary dictate about what is right and what is wrong on issues to do with their appointments? You should remember the same judges attempted to sabotage the referendum in order to preserve their jobs.
McReggae
#29 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 4:38:25 PM
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FundamentAli wrote:
How can the Judiciary be complaining while they are the subject matter? Wako and Gicheru who are members of JSC have an interest in the appointments as it is about their jobs and when do they go home. Kibaki has caught them by surprise. It is time to go home guys. We have just stripped MPs the power to decide their own salaries. Why then should we let the Judiciary dictate about what is right and what is wrong on issues to do with their appointments? You should remember the same judges attempted to sabotage the referendum in order to preserve their jobs.


Dude, here we have a constituion that is in operation!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
Kirika
#30 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 4:42:08 PM
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smile mmmmmhhhhh....... the number of guests is very telling.

I wonder how Marende will rule on this one, he could just upset RAO or Kibs either way.
FundamentAli
#31 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 4:46:55 PM
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McReggae wrote:
FundamentAli wrote:
How can the Judiciary be complaining while they are the subject matter? Wako and Gicheru who are members of JSC have an interest in the appointments as it is about their jobs and when do they go home. Kibaki has caught them by surprise. It is time to go home guys. We have just stripped MPs the power to decide their own salaries. Why then should we let the Judiciary dictate about what is right and what is wrong on issues to do with their appointments? You should remember the same judges attempted to sabotage the referendum in order to preserve their jobs.


Dude, here we have a constituion that is in operation!!!


I do not disagree that we have a constituition. What if the PM had agreed to the list? Would we be hearing all this noise? JSC are now saying it is their baby, the PM is saying the baby should have been born by the two prinicipals but only one principal got to name it. Who is fooling who here? Either PM is wrong or JSC is wrong. There is an element of insincerity. Am not saying the President consulted. Do not get me wrong.
bwenyenye
#32 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 4:51:57 PM
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Guys

Any info from bunge?
I Think Therefore I Am
McReggae
#33 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 4:59:39 PM
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FundamentAli,
wat i'm saying is that the constitution was not followed!!!

bwenyenye,
currently SKM is busy painting the PM a liar and glofying MK's actions!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
2 Miles
#34 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 5:11:53 PM
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Ati Kalonzo is smiling after trouncing RO in the continental turf......... 2012 are u serious??????????????? Sounds like a joke to me.

Kalonzo just portrayed himself like a clown.
2012
#35 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 5:18:49 PM
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2 Miles wrote:
Ati Kalonzo is smiling after trouncing RO in the continental turf......... 2012 are u serious??????????????? Sounds like a joke to me.

Kalonzo just portrayed himself like a clown.


True, but all the Heads of State he lobbied endorsed his position and AU ratified it so who's the clown now?

BBI will solve it
:)
McReggae
#36 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 9:22:52 PM
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2012, did yu heat Imanyara's view on the so called 'kalonzo's successful shuttle diplomacy'?.....it can never be put any better,

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simonkabz
#37 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 9:40:02 PM
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@mcr, are u really really sure SKM was lying? Its sad how low this forum has sunk. Lots of prejudiced biased opinions of how BAD or good individuals are. Objectivity is out in the wastebin. Even more pitiful is the sorry posts by some WELL RESPECTED mboys here. As of now, there's a near unanimous praise of ICC, Ocampo n RAO. Contrary, AU is the devil while SKM is its advocate, WITHOUT ANY PROPER SUPPORTING MATERIAL. Cmon pipo, we aint mashada. Sio kupayuka tu. Today, RAO alid* point. So did SKM, Adan, Machage, Orengo n of course my favourite Githae. Stop the FALLACIOUS discrediting of personas based on old goofs.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
McReggae
#38 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 10:36:42 PM
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thimioni, l did not say SKM was lying, l said he was painting the PM a liar.........really frm yua posts....nyani haoni kundule!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
petro08
#39 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 11:27:59 PM
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@McReggae. Whose version do you believe? Raila or Kibs?
jerry
#40 Posted : Wednesday, February 02, 2011 12:22:36 AM
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Look at the issue in a very simple way. If UK and WSR lands in the Hague, either RAO or MK(or both) will be implicated. MK is more likely 'culprate'! Don't forget he is gen-KIGWOYA. So we must have deferral\referral to ensure UK succeeds Baks and the general will be safe. Moi will be happy that his project succeeds at last and there will be peace in RValley. RAO will never be nearer state hse than he was on 27-17-2007. All we need is peace.
The appointments were done as PM was moving from Ivory C to Angola. How could he be consolted! Kalonzo should now be planning to handle Kofi.
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