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Aguytrying
#1 Posted : Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:36:46 PM
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I've never seen this topic discussed here before. I want to sample your views towards this form of investment. I have been considering, making a part of my portfolio to be an equity fund, to diversify and spread risk and gain. Your views will be highly appreciated.
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qw25041985
#2 Posted : Sunday, January 30, 2011 2:38:59 PM
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the returns on this stuff is just useless. and not Guaranteed . and WOW unto you if you hook yourself w/ an under-performer .
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MaichBlack
#3 Posted : Sunday, January 30, 2011 3:09:11 PM
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The average wazuan believes - and rightly so - that they can beat the returns from unit trusts.

The problem is that most of this unit trust are not ran by investment gurus - someone who does their homework and picks a stock you'd never have thought about - which later explodes! They pick the usual suspects and then use your money to pay rent, salaries etc.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
For Sport
#4 Posted : Sunday, January 30, 2011 3:29:33 PM
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Bought into an equity fund when there was all this blitz about above average returns (remember 2006 and the full page, quarter page ads) – and lived to regret it. Since learnt that its wiser to buy into an equity fund when the market is doing badly.

Then there’s the management fee and some such other costs – there’s nothing as annoying as paying someone to babysit your money when your investment is in the red. Some funds even structure their fees such that you pay a “performance fee” which essentially is a percentage on your returns. An equity fund is fine IF
1.you have a loooong investment horizon.
2.you have no time / desire to manage your own financial affairs

Money Market Funds are for parking your money while you figure out where to invest it. And fast. (useless returns – just slightly better than bank interests).

Get comfortable with the idea before you hand over your money: Invest a small amount in the fund you have in mind – and invest a similar sum (yourself) in the stock market. If they’re doing better than you after, consider them. Or track their performance over time and compare with yours. And yes, most of these people we hand over our money to DO NOT know more than you do about investing in the stock market.

qw25041985
#5 Posted : Sunday, January 30, 2011 4:15:13 PM
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@ MaichBlack . @ stockmaster already beat most average unit trusts in his last year performance...i remember it was 100% or so.If you made over 50% on your returns you definately beat your average unit trust.
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kadonye
#6 Posted : Sunday, January 30, 2011 4:45:26 PM
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@Aguytrying there is a past thread on zimele here in wazua.check it out...my take-the equities fund will give you far much less than optimal returns.I did it with zimele and ran into losses for over 2yrs after which I liquidated my investment.I am better off with wazua kossip
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#7 Posted : Sunday, January 30, 2011 4:50:14 PM
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One thing is for sure, the guys heading these organisations, earn good money. Read on Eddie Lampert, who at one time earned an annual salary of 1.5 billion dollars. But unit trusts give you the opportunity to participate in wider investments and markets
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erifloss
#8 Posted : Sunday, January 30, 2011 5:02:23 PM
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If you can analyse a financial statement and come up with an investment opinion or analyse numbers from the stock exchange then you don't need any fund management as you are your own management. During the bad financial period people in equity funds lost more than guys who were investing on their own.
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BGL
#9 Posted : Sunday, January 30, 2011 5:13:56 PM
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Unit Trusts just benefit the owners/managers, Last year the NSE did 36%, i personally managed 59% BUT just sample what the so called UNIT TRUSTS credited to your accounts....it will just make you sob.
My advise for the so called holders of unit trusts...when the market does well, you earn less! when it does badly, you lose even more to pay people for lose of your money.
If you want to diversify, trust your money with MWORIA the CEO Centum very diversified into Real Estate, Un quoted as well as Quoted stocks.
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bartum
#10 Posted : Sunday, January 30, 2011 6:23:08 PM
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@BGL you only managed 59% last year? It was a good year fellows got over 100%
MaichBlack
#11 Posted : Sunday, January 30, 2011 6:37:29 PM
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For Sport wrote:
Then there’s the management fee and some such other costs – there’s nothing as annoying as paying someone to babysit your money when your investment is in the red. Some funds even structure their fees such that you pay a “performance fee” which essentially is a percentage on your returns.

Most of these fellows are just leeches. I visited Britak some years ago to learn more about their unit trust and I have never thought about unit trusts again!

This fellow lists for me a number of charges including joining fee - never mind that there is a difference of approximately 10% between the buying and selling price. That is, if you buy and sell immediately you lose approx. 10% of the value invested - in addition to a raft of 'joining' and 'management' charges. The best part was yet to come! The fellow tells me "If your returns are more than 25% p.a. we will charge you x% on the first bla bla bla on top of the difference and y% on top of...." What??? I ask the guy, "And if I lose more than 25%, nay, you lose more than 25% of the investment on my behalf, how much do you pay me?". He started giving me memorized answers... If you hit 25% which is above the industry average bla bla bla... you are lucky... bla bla bla.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
MaichBlack
#12 Posted : Sunday, January 30, 2011 6:48:24 PM
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bartum wrote:
@BGL you only managed 59% last year? It was a good year fellows got over 100%

It depends how much you are investing! The higher the amount, the lower the actual return - in percentage of course. You can read on this - must be something to do with investment psychology. Even Warren Buffet is on record saying that he could definitely have higher returns if he was to invest a million dollars than Billions of dollars.

Picture this. I have 20,000/= to invest and you have 20,000,000/=. I can wake up one day and [speculatively] put my 20k in nEveready at 2.90/= a share and somehow - fundamentals or no fundamentals - the share hits 6.20/= and and I'm out! Voila - 100%. I would like to see you pulling the same off with your 20m. Your action alone would actually drive the share to 10/= and then the price heads south after you are done buying. Monkey time!!! And also the kind of stunts we are willing to pull reduce with increasing amounts!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Aguytrying
#13 Posted : Sunday, January 30, 2011 9:09:06 PM
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Thanks ppl. This is why i love wazua so much. Unbiased investment info based on facts. I'll check out the zimele post. I've seen its not as rosy as i thought.
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