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Block of flats for sale.
Evolve
#1 Posted : Wednesday, June 03, 2009 11:32:00 AM
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There is a block of flats in Donholm that is for sale and the agent is asking for Kshs 40.0 million. The rental income is indicated to be Kshs 406,000 but independent checkings reveal that the rental income is Kshs 350,000. What would be the best price for this property? The property features are as follows:

Rent No. b/r Total
3 br 1 ensuite 22000 8 176000
3br flat 18000 4 72000
2br flat 17000 4 68000
1br flat 14000 5 70000
bedsitter 10000 2 20000
Total 23 406000


My estimation is that this property should go for Kshs 32m for a return of about 12% pa on net basis. Your comments will be most welcome.
mukiha
#2 Posted : Wednesday, June 03, 2009 11:56:00 AM
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With 350k pm rent,I'd put the value at around 50m......

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#3 Posted : Wednesday, June 03, 2009 12:30:00 PM
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am neither a valuewer nor real estate professional. My experience,assuming the flat is structurally sound and in good state of maintance,I will value it at Khs 52.5 million,assuming a rent of Ksh 350,000 pm and a return of 8%. Any amount less than Ksh 52.5m,do not hesitate.

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#4 Posted : Wednesday, June 03, 2009 12:38:00 PM
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Evolve,

Confirm that there are no NCC rates and GK Land rent arrears before committing
mwenza
#5 Posted : Wednesday, June 03, 2009 12:38:00 PM
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If the prospective rent is 406,000/=,then the rule of thumb is that the real value of the property is 40.6M.

However,if the rent is 350,000/=,then the property value is 35.0M.

But if the prospective rent is 406,000/= but the actual rent is 350,000/= then the property value is 40.6M.

Caution:- Before u enter into any agreement or transfer,u may need to check the small matter of the land lease and land rates. If the lease is about to expire then the value of the property is further reduces. Meanwhile all the outstanding statutary land rates arrears if any should taken into account.


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mwenza
#6 Posted : Wednesday, June 03, 2009 12:46:00 PM
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@evolve

May be i should also have mentioned that the rule of thumb i stated earlier assumes that the break-even for rental property is about 10yrs assuming that 2months worth of rent every year goes to miscellaneous expenses and the fact that the flats wont be fully occupied for 12months every year


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Evolve
#7 Posted : Wednesday, June 03, 2009 1:05:00 PM
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@All,

Thanks for all the comments. The property is 8 years old and there might be some liabilities,however,these shall be taken care of during due diligence. I am trying to compare this property with one in South B,one year old,whose actual rent is Kshs461K. This property is being sold for Kshs46 million. The Donholm property has actual rental income of Kshs 350K and any increment must be done within the law.
doh
#8 Posted : Wednesday, June 03, 2009 1:06:00 PM
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I would go with the 8% rule. A buddy has flats fetching 185K pm and valued at 27M.

But a qualified valuer can help us.

info is money
Mr.Tea
#9 Posted : Wednesday, June 03, 2009 1:14:00 PM
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The rule of the thumb in real estate is that the venture should be able to recoup in 8-12 years based on its current income. So it would a yes for me.

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fantony
#10 Posted : Wednesday, June 03, 2009 2:08:00 PM
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looks like a good buy.

however,if i were you. i would go for a leveraged buy out using a mortgage not cash and with the title only as the security.

covers you two ways.
1. you reserve your cash for other investments;
2. banks have their best lawyers doing due diligence on their behalf. Hence they are more likely to spot anomalies in land ownership lease and extension.

Also you should buy because if you get a fixed rate mortgage you are assured you can meet it,meanwhile every year you will be increasing rent by about 5%.

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pm
#11 Posted : Wednesday, June 03, 2009 7:55:00 PM
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who controls the area ... ;)

The number of bedrooms mixture is a nightmare,you never want to mix sitters,one,two,three bedrooms flats ...

For 40m,you can do better!
Evolve
#12 Posted : Thursday, June 04, 2009 7:13:00 AM
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@pm,

Thanks for the observation. I had not thought about the 3br ensuite mix. I thought it was a good idea but on hindsight,this is not what I should be going for if the objective is to maximise on rental to make a decent return.
Pablo
#13 Posted : Thursday, June 04, 2009 9:27:00 AM
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Looks like I am behind. Bedsitters in Donholm are going for 10k?. I thot South B Bedsitters go for 8k.


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#14 Posted : Thursday, June 04, 2009 9:35:00 AM
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Pablo,you must really be behind!!!!!

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fantony
#15 Posted : Thursday, June 04, 2009 11:08:00 AM
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while Pablo may not be upto date there is a point about the projected rentals. Is it achievable in this area?

1 br @ 14,000 ??? i dont think so.
starr
#16 Posted : Thursday, June 04, 2009 1:44:00 PM
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donholm is one of the more lucrative areas for rentals. you have a nice building there and you will be in some nice moneys. demand by the working class is massive. serves people working in town,industrial area and the airport.

goals - does any of the proposed bypasses go through donholm? i do not think so. this is my first time to hear that.

pm/evolve - i do not see the issue with the mixture in units. please shed light. i would only have a problem if a flat has a large proportion of bedsitter units. managing them can be a nightmare.
Evolve
#17 Posted : Thursday, June 04, 2009 2:00:00 PM
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@ Starr,



My angle of reason is based on the demand for 3br ensuite in the area? It would make more sense to have more 2B/r and 1 b/r than 3 the 3b/r ones as the renatl incomes would even be higher. I have verified this from the property in South B with mainly 2b/r,1b/r and bedsitters whose actual total rental income is Kshs 461K.
half_empty
#18 Posted : Thursday, June 04, 2009 2:36:00 PM
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it cost about 25M to put up similar structure incl cost of land...

I would have said something smarter..but the moment passed
pm
#19 Posted : Thursday, June 04, 2009 2:42:00 PM
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@starr / @evolve,






Normal 0


First,07/08 election violence and it's effect on housing cannot be ignored,if you've got your ears to the ground,you'll see / hear major adjustments in the housing market as a result of that violence,others are still trying to recover... my second point was,the flats are a combination of 3bd ensuit,3bd,2bd,1bd & sitters ... which combines singles,married and families living,my experience is that all three have differing lifestyles/needs that are not necessarily compatible ... ask yourself,would a family man with wife and kids want to be living next to a bachelor whose lifestyle is radically different... During our research Dec/March we found many flats of such a mixture with very low occupancy rate because families kept on moving out. Some familymen had issues going to work and leaving wife next to a bachelor bent on warming up to wife ;( ... due to differing needs /lifestyles of family / bachelor ... its not a good idea to have a mixed housing like in the case of these flats ... I hope that helps ;)

@evolve,can you edit out that blank space in your first posting ... ;)
Eddy
#20 Posted : Thursday, June 04, 2009 6:00:00 PM
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@half

Fully agreed,in most cases the actual cost will be about 25M and for the sellers the markups are handsome in the range of 100%.

The 'actual cost' works out to recovery through current rent at 5 years and hence as a buyer you should recover it within 8-10 yrs.
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