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Kenyan police execute three men point blank
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#31 Posted : Thursday, January 20, 2011 12:30:21 PM
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I support the CID officers and totally agree with MaichBlack.

If you have ever experienced an ordeal with thugs, then you know these fellows don't deserve any mercy whatsoever. They don't deserve to be part of the human race and shouldn't be treated like humans either. What drives someone to rape someone's wife or daughter before them is beyond my comprehension.

We might have several arguements to challenge the officers actions. But I doubt how many of us here on Wazua deal with thugs and like-minded people on a regular basis. Those officers do. And when they decide to kill them , I think they knew what they were doing. As to why it was done in broad daylight, maybe that was a bit extreme... but it doesn't matter. THEY OUGHT TO BE ELIMINATED.
Obi 1 Kanobi
#32 Posted : Thursday, January 20, 2011 12:33:07 PM
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bwenyenye wrote:
Guys,

Take it easy. @Rasilio, if you were a cop in Kenya today, I would bet that you would have done the same or worse. These (thugs) are the guys who ( according to the police) had no qualms shooting to kill a cop as he bought his miraa. A top cop at that. There is hardly anywhere in the world, even where the judiciary system is perfect that you get less than life for that. What are the chances that they follow a vehicle, stop it and find the fellows armed. Out of all the cars on Lang'ata road. Me think, they knew their targets very well.

The problem here is that there is a total system failure in the judiciary. From the laws that are so archaic to lack of accountability at the cop command ( it may exist on paper) to the law courts to the prisons. Imagine you are a cop. You know very well so and so is a drug dealer. You arrest the guy and present him to court with all the evidence required. The guy gets away through one of the many options available including bribing out of jail. The guys then comes at you and your family with vengeance and even manages to kill one of your relatives or colleagues and taunts you that you can do nothing. The next time you get him, will you be foolish enough to repeat the cycle? By the way, this is the life of most of those cops.

Guys, it is good to wax philosophical on ideals, but let us get real. One thing I know about our policemen is that 95% genuinely HATE criminals. I wish we could be like them as far as that goes. Mwizi ni Mwizi and they should be out of society. Sometimes in life, the end justifies the means.


The cops who kill in cold blood are usually criminals themselves who either are afraid of being exposed or who did not get their cuts. Regardless of the state of the system, a man with a clean consicence will not shoot someone lying down on the back of the head in public.

Your arguement on revenge on police families motivating the executions cannot be supported by any facts. It is the police themselves who create the illusion of an inherently useless justice system by failing to produce the bare minimum proof required to successfully prove guilt.
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newfarer
#33 Posted : Thursday, January 20, 2011 12:48:07 PM
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'I do sympathize with the Police for opting to take the law into their hands the way they did, but I strongly blame our judicial system, which is rotten and can be very frustrating. Last week, in my estate, here in Nairobi, a well known gang who has been terrorising area residents, was arrested by the Police, and people were very happy, but to my surprise, I saw the same crook back in the estate and walking free. You can imagine what will happen if the Police will arrest him again. Your guess is as good as mine.'


Submitted by kjshiku2
Posted January 20, 2011 11:17 AM


Any thug encountered by the police officer should be shot dead not considering his surender because whatever they do to us before they are caught is traggic. I mean, just 2weeks ago at Zimmermann,my friend n i were robbed brutally by 6 young men.Thank God coz a week later, (Yesterday morning), three were shot dead. I cant call this inhuman.Its paying the price of what you do to others.Anyone surrendering after encountering police officer should be executed!!!


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rasilio
#34 Posted : Thursday, January 20, 2011 12:51:51 PM
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@newfarer maybe you should talk to your policeman friend. they will tell you that you probably survived coz you had no gun. Don't believe everything about heros and superheros on TV.

@maich black your arguments are becoming desperate.

Because i am not there, i do not kenya. how do you know? do you know me? what do you know about me and my life in or out of kenya?


What you guys are proposing is a system whereby policemen walk around the streets shooting everyone they think is a thug.

If the Kenya police are so right about this issue, why don't they start with the Hague 6 or the people who caused the displacement of 100,000 kenyans?

Kenyan law does not give anyone wearing a uniform the right to walk around deciding who should live or die.

If you do that, you are doing something illegal. In other words, you are a criminal.

Maybe then we should now shoot you since you are committing a crime.

MaichBlack and Co...it is against the Kenyan constitution to kill someone without due process. It is illegal to execute someone. It is even against the police code to shoot someone who has surrendered and is posing no risk to you.

Since it is obvious that these guys were shot in cold blood. And these so called cops did something illegal, do you think we should now look for them and shoot them? Yes, let us look for these two cops and shoot them!

Heck, while at it, lets look for all those traffic cops who take bribes from unroadworthy vehicles that go cause an accident. Let us shoot them too since they are committing a crime.

Let us go ahead and shoot everyone who has broken a law. Why stop at these three guys?

I ask you again. Who made you judge, jury and executioner? Under what legal mandate are you operating in? Which law in kenya allows you to go around shooting people?

If there is none, then you are a criminal. We should shoot you too to rid us of all criminals on this earth.

Anarchy starts with simplistic solutions.

Shame on you


rasilio
#35 Posted : Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:21:08 PM
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The 3 criminal former cops have been interdicted ....Thank Goodness there is hope for the kangaroo state.

Maybe someone realized that Ali's name is not in the Hague by mistake or for fun.
MaichBlack
#36 Posted : Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:25:06 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
It is the police themselves who create the illusion of an inherently useless justice system by failing to produce the bare minimum proof required to successfully prove guilt.

@Obi - Evidence? Again, click on the link below and read paragraph two. Tell me what you would do to the culprit if you met the culprit on the streets.

Evidence not always enough in Kenyan courts
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Elder
#37 Posted : Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:26:39 PM
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Some of those lauding for extra-judicial killings in this forum seem to base their arguments from personal experiences from car-jackers or criminals. To them it is all personal and thus subjective. That is understandable. However those of such persuasions should consider several things:

1. When the police are allowed to kill in cold blood would that make them better policemen or set them on a path of impunity?
2. Those who are killed in cold blood for having say a gun, are they really criminals or mis-advised youth who have so far done no harm and can be set straight?
3. When the killer policemen leave the force either for being fired for their obviously criminal ways or for greener pastures would the ease in which they have dispatched suspects lead to their being the very same criminals that you want executed in the first place?
4. When the police are allowed to kill with impunity (because all they are killing are criminals) what are the chances of innocent Kenyans being killed either by mistake, negligence of the policeman who know they are not accountable either way or intentionally?

The list is actually endless but in advocating for a state where we allow the police to kill those we don't like or who pose a danger to us without due process, and where the decision on who those are is left to the police, then we are actually cutting our nose to spite our face.
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#38 Posted : Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:30:30 PM
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The picture here says so much......I must believe this is cold blood murder as the suspects had already surrendered.

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rasilio
#39 Posted : Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:37:56 PM
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@Elder totally agreed.

My fear is that we now have a police force that is playing the victim. They have given up on the judicial process. So why in God's name are we paying them?

There is a running joke that Kenya is the land of Zimunda. When the citizens themselves start taking sides like its a cops and robbers movie, then all is lost.

Anyone hitting a cop for whatever reason should be jailed. A cop becoming a killer should be jailed. Only then can we even begin talking about reform in Kenya.

This idea that Kenyan thugs are a special breed of super humans specially created by God to wreck havok to the rest of mankind should be dispelled with pronto. The mafia in Italy is more expeditious when dealing with cops, the Irish gangs took over whole towns, the skin heads can make mungiki look like school dropouts, the yakuza...etc.

There is nothing special about a thug. They always meet their match from SPECIAL law abiding policemen.

there is something special about a policeman who swears to uphold the law and lives by that motto. He is our Hero.

As for these three, they are worse than a diaper and I'm 100% sure that is exactly how they feel about their lives. SHITTY!
Theu
#40 Posted : Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:40:11 PM
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Sad Thats why we need police and judicial reforms. Plus that forensic lab. Our systems are kaputt, reforms reforms reforms!
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