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alma
#41 Posted : Wednesday, January 19, 2011 3:03:50 PM
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from my KTN mole. Ngoja kidogo tu.
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Mpenzi
#42 Posted : Wednesday, January 19, 2011 3:17:15 PM
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Gazette Notice on Mombasa Road Land Acquisition under Review

The Government is reviewing the land acquisition gazette notice in light of developments that have taken place along the road since the plans were initiated. The planned acquisition has been overtaken by events rendering some sections of the Gazette Notice obsolete.

Therefore, there should not be any panic because the Government does not intend to pull down some of the new developments on the highway.

What the Gazette Notice indicated was part of a 2006 plan for land acquisition on Mombasa road in preparation for the Nairobi Toll Road project. However, the project has been delayed due to protracted negotiations and since then new developments have taken place on the road. As it stands, acquisition of some of the sections would be too expensive to the Government and a huge burden to the tax payer.

The Government encourages Kenyans, and especially affected parties, not to read ill motive but to understand that the Government has to acquire land to enable it to develop vital infrastructure in our country.

A review of the acquisition notices is currently being undertaken by the concerned ministries and details will be made public in due course.

Dr. Alfred N. Mutua, EBS
PUBLIC COMMUNICATIONS SECRETARY &
GOVERNMENT SPOKESPERSON

January 19, 2011
http://www.communication...id=1254&media_type=2
bwenyenye
#43 Posted : Wednesday, January 19, 2011 3:25:18 PM
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Mpenzi wrote:
bwenyenye wrote:
Guys,

Can anyone tell me why the targetted buildings on Msa rd are those done in the last three years? Apart from one piece that was a Kobil petrol station, ther rest were idle tracts just 3 years ago. This tell alot.


That is because we have only heard from those big owners. Almost everyone whose land touches Mombasa Rd or Waiyaki Way has been affected.


@ Mpenzi,

What I am trying to say is that there is a possibility that these lands were set apart a long time ago. That is why there was no development on that section for a very looong time. If you look at the houses that were built along the road in before 1990, you will realise that they are at least 50M from the road. Then there started coming buildings that even touch the road ( Hope they start demolishing at Capital Centre)

If you look at the Kencell building area, there is a huge space there left out for an intersection. Guys had even started fencing plots hapo.I think we have lazy lawyers who want to do conveyancing in the offices and bribe clerks at the lands ministry. I hope they have professional insurance coz singewasamehea.

Next time you drive down Msa road, keep the speed limit of 50Kph and observe. You will understand that most likely hizi ni ma deal za mabwenyenye that are turning back to haunt them.
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kadonye
#44 Posted : Wednesday, January 19, 2011 3:39:41 PM
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These SMG fellows are just full of incitement.

Anyone shouting 'discrimination' does not understand compulsory acquisition or is just intent on inciting us against the gvt.

Sirikal has the right to take your land but it MUST provide for compensation which includes the market value of the land, cost of improvements and site works plus disturbance compensation at 15%.Dont forget this:THE GOVT ALWAYS PAYS!

The guys at SMG def know this but in their sensational style of (mis)informing the public they are linking it to the past raid and introducing politics.

This is not the fist time.We've had cases e.g the Kilifi Tiomin case where after politics was introduced guys were compensated with alternative land and paid for the fair value of the same land!

There's also the central police station staff quarters case.One arm of the govt constructed, the other brought the flats down.

However, I think the Ministries of Lands and Roads should come up with an integrated system as such disturbances are not good for business
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thuks
#45 Posted : Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:28:03 PM
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alma wrote:
from my KTN mole. Ngoja kidogo tu.


These moles are really 'eating' everything from underground. They now say that a clique in government led by ODM MINISTERS is waging war against SG. They see each kenyan in sectarian eyes, ODM or PNU, This tribe or that tribe, Blue or white.... 'The Silly Group"
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For Sport
#46 Posted : Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:46:00 PM
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[quote=Mpenzi]Gazette Notice on Mombasa Road Land Acquisition under Review

The Government is reviewing the land acquisition gazette notice in light of developments that have taken place along the road since the plans were initiated. ...

Dr. Alfred N. Mutua, EBS
PUBLIC COMMUNICATIONS SECRETARY &
GOVERNMENT SPOKESPERSON


January 19, 2011
http://www.communication...d=1254&media_type=2[/quote]

Sorry, only saw the Mutua bit.
Magigi
#47 Posted : Wednesday, January 19, 2011 10:12:03 PM
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...Sammeer park will go down?
rasilio
#48 Posted : Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:01:47 AM
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Standard Group is Impunity Mamboleo

According to them, the gov't should never build a road because they spent a lot of money. But it is ok when Nakumatt is removed because?
I read the paper online and I have to say, I now agree with those who claim that this company may have had a very huge hand in the developments of 2007.
Why didn't they just say, luo and Kalenjin ministers want their land?

Is it possible that this media company has been used before to fuel hatred and spread obvious propaganda and lies?

Compulsory acquisition is entrenched in Kenyan law and the constitution. It is not a new phenomenon. It is not unique to Kenya.

No wonder Kenya can never develop with these kind of Gobbels trained propaganda machines pretending to be newspapers.
thuks
#49 Posted : Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:08:57 AM
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Magigi wrote:
...Sammeer park will go down?


This may not necessarily happen but the plot it stands on is affected by the gazette notice.
Facts as stated by Ministers:
1.The acquisition plan is an old one
2.When the plan was being conceptualized, many of the developments had not taken place
3.The cost of acquisition may necessarily influence the implementation of the plan hence the meeting called to take place in March for the affected persons to present their views

:Reason should prevail--
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thuks
#50 Posted : Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:11:45 AM
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rasilio wrote:
Standard Group is Impunity Mamboleo

According to them, the gov't should never build a road because they spent a lot of money. But it is ok when Nakumatt is removed because?
I read the paper online and I have to say, I now agree with those who claim that this company may have had a very huge hand in the developments of 2007.
Why didn't they just say, luo and Kalenjin ministers want their land?

Is it possible that this media company has been used before to fuel hatred and spread obvious propaganda and lies?

Compulsory acquisition is entrenched in Kenyan law and the constitution. It is not a new phenomenon. It is not unique to Kenya.

No wonder Kenya can never develop with these kind of Gobbels trained propaganda machines pretending to be newspapers.



I can't agree more with your apt observations. They have no shame or honour!
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KulaRaha
#51 Posted : Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:21:15 AM
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So who owns the sacred Libra House?
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#52 Posted : Thursday, January 20, 2011 9:26:49 AM
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KulaRaha wrote:
So who owns the sacred Libra House?


I think Libra house is owned by David Mwiraria.


Finally this madness of pulling down multi-billion shilling business may be over.

Orengo needs to really try and watch himself on TV, he came out like a real idiot last night. Makes you wonder if he has ever built anything in his life
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newfarer
#53 Posted : Thursday, January 20, 2011 9:32:15 AM
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Libra House exclusion is daylight Impunity .

The demolision of the New buildings on the expected road is also damn impunity.


Who allow the buidings to be built when they know the same government has other plans for the land.

If the demolisions have to be done , then any compensations should be done from the estate of the persons who authorised the buildings and not our taxes.
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kadonye
#54 Posted : Thursday, January 20, 2011 9:58:58 AM
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@newfarer, please get the facts right.These SG people are playing psychology on you and introducing politics into a non political issue.
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rasilio
#55 Posted : Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:12:08 AM
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Impunity is taking 5 pages of your newspapers to spread what you know to be a falsehood. Impunity is thinking that your kahouse is so special that the rest of the Kenyans will forever endure traffic jams just because you are special. Impunity is suggesting that a constitutional law does not work for you just because you are the media. impunity is using a headline that is meant to invoke hatred in an issue that wholly legal in nature. impunity is having a CEO who talks of impunity in the same breath as he holds a position even his mother knows is over his head.
newfarer
#56 Posted : Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:22:23 AM
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rasilio wrote:
Impunity is taking 5 pages of your newspapers to spread what you know to be a falsehood. Impunity is thinking that your kahouse is so special that the rest of the Kenyans will forever endure traffic jams just because you are special. Impunity is suggesting that a constitutional law does not work for you just because you are the media. impunity is using a headline that is meant to invoke hatred in an issue that wholly legal in nature. impunity is having a CEO who talks of impunity in the same breath as he holds a position even his mother knows is over his head.


Is there a clear explanation why Libra house is left out.

Why were the new buildings allowed to be built.


Did you know that Jams in Nairobi are caused by the round abouts and not the width of the road?

Sort out the round abouts and there will never be jams


Btw I am disgusted by KTN cry for public sympathy for nearly half of the time allocated for News.I had to switch to NTV and KBC , No Citizen TV reception at my place.
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poundfoolish
#57 Posted : Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:23:22 AM
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they are good at playing politics..

Hapo nimepatia SG 90% on propaganda

ati ODM ministers insist on demolition.. LOL
rasilio
#58 Posted : Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:31:45 AM
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@newfarer are you suggesting the jam is caused by Libra house?

Understand that even if you built the house 30 years ago or yesterday, the law on compulsory acquisition does not affect that. They will be paid...to move.

But I propose that they know that they may have no legal rights on that land.

Remember that that land they are on was public land before another regime came up. They have to show in court to get paid that they legally owned that land. If I go to court today and challenge that, SG will lose everything.

The politics is on their side.

Any land or property or expensive building in Kenya can be acquired by gov't for the public good. That includes SG HEADQUATERS! That is the law, that is the constitution of Kenya. It is not an ODM PARTY POLICY!

Obi 1 Kanobi
#59 Posted : Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:32:05 AM
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rasilio wrote:
Impunity is taking 5 pages of your newspapers to spread what you know to be a falsehood. Impunity is thinking that your kahouse is so special that the rest of the Kenyans will forever endure traffic jams just because you are special. Impunity is suggesting that a constitutional law does not work for you just because you are the media. impunity is using a headline that is meant to invoke hatred in an issue that wholly legal in nature. impunity is having a CEO who talks of impunity in the same breath as he holds a position even his mother knows is over his head.


Impunity is destroying property worth 20b+ to put up 2.5kms of road worth less than .5b.

@Rasilio, I am not a big fan of Paul Melly and his management style, but I can assure you the guy is razor sharp.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
newfarer
#60 Posted : Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:36:07 AM
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rasilio wrote:
@newfarer are you suggesting the jam is caused by Libra house?Understand that even if you built the house 30 years ago or yesterday, the law on compulsory acquisition does not affect that. They will be paid...to move.

But I propose that they know that they may have no legal rights on that land.

Remember that that land they are on was public land before another regime came up. They have to show in court to get paid that they legally owned that land. If I go to court today and challenge that, SG will lose everything.

The politics is on their side.

Any land or property or expensive building in Kenya can be acquired by gov't for the public good. That includes SG HEADQUATERS! That is the law, that is the constitution of Kenya. It is not an ODM PARTY POLICY!



NO roundabout

But why was Libra house cleverly curved out of the New Road ?
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