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#41 Posted : Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:03:00 PM
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The fact that Kenyans are reviewing the constitution it means we can get rid of bad things and put on good things on it in line with modern times. Kadhi courts are bad and we should get rid of them. I certainly would not agree to fund them or their administration using my taxes. If the so called less than 8% people who subscribe to the muslim faith want to fund them,then let them go ahead and do it without involving others like me.Tanzania has a bigger muslim population than Kenya and they dont have them!

Impossible is Possible
radio
#42 Posted : Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:43:00 PM
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I am informed that the reason kadhi courts ended up in the constitution was because the issue had become contentious during the Lancaster house and Kenyatta decided to let them be to hasten the independence ..... this means they shouldn't have been there in the first place!!

Of how Kadhi courts could affect me,there is no religion that is more equal.... and two my taxes should be better used for that which is of benefit to me (not to finance religious interest groups).

Can some please highlight how the exclusion them from the constitution would affect them.

'All things are created twice,once in the mind,and once in the world'
nanfor
#43 Posted : Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:03:00 PM
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Once you get your christian vs muslim high tables,get to read the constitution.

There will be a court of appeal that......
There will be a High court whose.......

There will be Kadhis court under the high court which will......

I am willing to discuss this issue with someone who has read any of the above parts.

Flogging yourself in the name of christians being finished by evil muslims belongs to Wanjiru Nelson and her Mungiki converts.

Please remove the religion crap and tell me kwa kinaga ubaga,the difference between Kadhis court as is being drawn up and the recognition of traditional marriages in the same constitution.

Then tell me in the same sentense how my parents persecuted me by marrying in the traditional way yet I am a christian.
Godamn Christians and their daily persecution scenarios.
jaheim
#44 Posted : Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:15:00 PM
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@radio
The kadhi courts are meant to do rullings for muslims on matters regarding marriage,divorce and inheritance. All the other issues can be resolved in the normal courts. Muslims have their own laws on how to resolve issues arrising from marriage,divorce and inheritance and the kadhi has to do this according to the Quran. So basically its nothing to do with christians and it does not affect christians it only affects the muslims themselves and only when it comes to the three issues i've mentioned. I dont see what the problem is we shouldnt even be discussing this if you really understand cause how do you expect an xtian judge to make rulling on the those issues and he has no idea what the religion requires the rulling to be done. All other issues apart from the three they go to normal courts so whats the problem?

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masukuma
#45 Posted : Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:02:00 PM
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who is paying the chief kadhi? whose taxes are currently being used to fund courts which are not meant to serve the kenyan public?
Kadhi courts need not be in the constitution if they are segregative. and i need not pay for them if i do not use them or they are not of benefit to 80% of kenyans. they can be like an elders council in a church where matters to do with christian marriages are brought and resolved but not entrenched in law.
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masukuma
#46 Posted : Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:10:00 PM
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perhaps we should fund the njuri njeke,the luo council,the kaenjin elders,the wazee wa kaya for the miji kenda and all other partisan groups that play a part in the lives of other kenyan groups in matters of marriage,divorce e.t.c.
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nanfor
#47 Posted : Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:29:00 PM
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masukuma masukuma

Ati now you care about where your taxes are going to? why not complain about the 40 ministers.

I have yet to see any reason based on law that makes this court unconstitutional.

Kenya is not a 'christian' state. Don't believe everything that Moi told you. It is also not a secular state. If you want secular,go to China where your religions will not be recognised.

It is a mixture. Take it or leave it.

The only arguments anyone is bringing is 'haki yetu','it is our time to eat' arguments. ie if the muslims have theirs,we want ours too.

The others are just plain bigots who believe everyone will burn in hell if they don't join their ' let me touchhhh you and you will be cured of Aids fundamentalists'.

When you really think about it,no one stopped the njuri ncheke from asking for their own courts.

Whether you like it or not,the muslim faith is not a church but a lifestyle. They want to divorce according to muslim terms. You may hate it but those are the facts of life.

why should they be in the constitution?

For exactly the myopic arguments that have been advanced here.

Some sick christian fundamentalist will one day wake up in Kenya after converting all the mungiki and wish to convert all muslims by force.......

after all Kenya is a christian country and all who are not saved should leave Now!

If I were you,I would go pray for a little more gray matter. Watch your son,he could be into some hot bui bui muslim. Toooouccccch!

Oh please tell me I am wrong?
VituVingiSana
#48 Posted : Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:40:00 PM
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I want a court to handle matters related to VVSism (which is the religion I plan to set up)... Erm,and the judges,lawyers,etc have to be VVSists as well... let's provide jobs for only VVSists in the VVSism courts paid for by the Kenyan taxpayer (of all religions & atheists)
**___** Oh,and I will have kosher/halal rules that will only allow VVSists to eat foods produced by fellow VVSists but can be sold to others. Helps keep jobs 'in-house' as well.

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB
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VituVingiSana
#49 Posted : Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:43:00 PM
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(1) So a jamaa who claims NOT to be a muslim (apostate)... can he be sued in a kadhi court? ****
(2) Is non-muslim wife/husband (married to a muslim) subjected to kadhi courts as regards inheritance?

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
nanfor
#50 Posted : Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:50:00 PM
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Vitu

That is the lie that is being thrown around.

Both parties must be muslim......Both parties must agree to have the Kadhis court deal with it.....If either party still feels agrieved by the kadhis court,they can go to a higher court which is not a kadhis court.

I was actually against the court until I started hearing people's arguments and I remembered that a constitution is meant to protect all especially the minority from a bunch of bigots running around in christian attire.
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