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The wind of change has started blowing over KENYA
Wakanyugi
#61 Posted : Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:36:00 AM
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Great idea! Count me in.

Meanwhile let me try to answer Obi Wan's question,if only to make sure it does not become an imaginary barrier to an otherwise great initiative.


'WHY DO OUR POLITICIANS ABANDON US IMMEDIATELY THEY GET POWER'

The answer is &lsquo;we the people&rsquo;:

1. Communicating a vision and bringing it to pass (through the instrument of government,say) are two different things. The first requires only clear thinking and articulation while the other demands negotiation,persuasion,compromise,management,patience etc (unless you are a dictator and therefore have powers of fiat). Unfortunately we tend to think of the two as the same. Orengo,Musyimi,Namwamba et al are good communicators. Look at the trouble Obama is facing and you can see what I mean.

2. Expectations: we expect too much of our leaders/government. So much that they are doomed to dash our hopes time and again. It is time we learned that Government does not do things for people. Government helps create the environment in which people do things for themselves and for others. Also it is rare that a people will produce leaders greater than they themselves are willing to be. If we are corrupt we shall elevate the corrupt to lead us because that is who we know best and idolize. A lemon tree does not bear apples.

3. We tend to elect leaders on the basis of what they say they can do,rather than what they have done in the past. No business would survive if it hired like that. This is how we end up with a parliament of clowns and entertainers but managerial incompetents. This needs to change if Kenya is to get the leaders the country deserves.

Finally as a people we have low expectations of ourselves and therefore of our leaders. This kind of initiative will have exceeded its purpose if it was to raise Kenyans belief in themselves. Let us start from here: we have survived,despite our leaders best efforts to destroy this country. Surely we can do without this lot.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
kyamulinditi
#62 Posted : Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:28:00 AM
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Marvelous!

This is all we have been yearning!

Am in. mikono na miguu.

But please as we take off,we must lay the rule down.

ALL POLITICIANS,PAST & PRESENT are not allowed to participate in this fora. we have had enough of their crap.

the mobilization must pick speed coz time is not on our side,but having simply started,no turning back.

Cheers everybody n lets roll up our collective sleeves and get on with it.

We must take charge of our investments and safeguard them from pesky maize thieves.


I will die once and once only!
hdadi
#63 Posted : Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:00:00 PM
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Count me in. I like the fact that mkristo has begun by giving a solution. Kudos. My Idea is similar to yours.

I propose phases:
Phase 1: This should be done by the e-mail idea. It involves mobilising resources in terms of ideology. I propose this because the percentage of Kenyans that have access to the net is limited and also those that are,are fewer and ready to agree to disagree. This is an advantage because the a roll-out plan can be hatched with a certain degree of swiftness.

Phase 2: After a roll-out plan has been agreed upon,we start with education of few but very influential people in the grass-roots,and I dont mean elders,MPs,councillors (catch my drift),I mean women(mothers and wives),teachers and children( bearing in mind this is simply not a 5yr plan but a real vision 2030).

Phase 3: Identification of potential candidates and strategic planning for the election.

Any more ideas please add...I always tell people when a government stops working for the people....a revolution is just around the corner. I am a peaceful being,education and hope are the keys to success....

Huzyo Dadi
kanda
#64 Posted : Tuesday, February 10, 2009 2:27:00 PM
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brilliant idea. needs sustained effort to avoid becoming another vijana tugutuke.
mkristo
#65 Posted : Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:02:00 AM
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Good morning all?


This is about The Leaders' Change Initiative that we have been discussing here since last week.


We shall hold our fist planning meeting TOMORROW Thursday 12th 6:00PM at Mandys Restaurant,opposite Housing Finance.


the voice of reason
willin2learn
#66 Posted : Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:35:00 AM
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...Finally,we have stopped whining and wants to do something. This is progress. congrats and WAY TO GO PEOPLE. Its got to be up by our own bootstraps! am in this
Mr Green
#67 Posted : Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:51:00 AM
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Hi guys,nice forum,
i am sure we are all fed up with this obscene pack of MP's,never before in our history have we ever seen such selfish greedy shenanigans,at the moment most people would see them more useful in a grave,or as the forum topic is indicating,out of power and fresh leaders,but as much as that is a good idea i think another bigger problem we have is the whole system,from judiciary,to legislative to executive to everything,the system is made in a way it accommodates politicians,protecting them even when they are involved in genocide,corruption,fraud and all other sins,all in the expense of the common man.
So my point is yes u will elect new leaders,but they will be accommodated by a system that makes them immune to sin,and since we are human,one will crack,so i guess we should also ask our selves how and who will change the system.

P.S Ringera said its impossible.

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characters. One represents danger and the other represents
opportunity.
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#68 Posted : Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:24:00 AM
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@ Mkristo

Some of us cannot attend the physical meetings

So let us have the minutes online,plus allow us to make contributions before you conclude on matters discussed.

Godspeed


I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
mkristo
#69 Posted : Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:47:00 PM
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@ obi

be assured,you will get the notes right here on this forum as well as the wakenya4change site


the voice of reason
The Real Shaft
#70 Posted : Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:21:00 PM
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too short a notice.....

my apologies in advance....

I'm the real Massey F.....shut your mouth
I'm the real Massey Fergu...... Shut your mouth....
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