@Mkristo,did you hear well what the Minister said. Kadhi's court was already in the old constitution. It is not new thing that is why it is not contentious.

mkristo:

Few points to note:


The constitution review team asked Kenyans to send in views on issues they consider contentious regarding the drafts that had been published in the last process.
Nobody listed the Kadhi Court as a contentious issue! Please let us know if you sent in your views on this matter. If you didn't,then don't complain now!!
The matter of religious courts was properly handled in the Bomas draft and contentious clauses (as ably voiced by Bishop Margaret Wanjiru) were rectified.
Unlike other religions,Islam has a very elaborate court system documented in their religious code. The Christians,for example,do not have one!!


Behind the gardens...Behind the wall...Under the tree (Including: Red...Dark Blue...Yellow)

@Mukristo

There is no reason whatsoever why one religion should be elevated by such an elaborate mention in a secular states constitution.

Mutula should not try to play around with this matter. Currently,as far as I know,the Kadhis court is achored in a act of parliament,which works just fine.
Why the Muslims are pushing to have it entrenched in the constitution leaves alot to be desired.
As you put it the essence of overhauling/rewritting the constitution is to right any wrongs including expunging from it,any detail that shouldnt have been there in the first place.

B.timer

@ mukiha

Thank you for bringing up a few issues to the surface,also for posting the clause from the draft.

Let me first say that we have presented our views to the committee of experts,and they are the ones who advised Mutula that the matter in questions is not a big issue and he flowed with them. In essence,they brushed away all that had been given to them concerning Islamic Courts for reasons we do not know and went ahead to say that they are not contentius. Margaret Wanjiru,I respect her as a minister of God,is unfortunately not very much educated and knows little about strategies that muslims employ to push their angenda of Islamization. If she knew,she would not have endorsed the inclussion of the courts.

One other thing,i have a problem with the fact that the operations of Kadhi Courst will be such as is prescribed by an act of parliarment. How do we know that the same clause cannot be used in future by muslims to push for their agenda? How would they do that?

Here is the answer. One thing you need to realize is that these guys are one and the same wherever they are in the whole world. So what one says in Kenya in backed by what the other says in USA,Iraq,Egypt,Nigeria,UK... A muslim is a muslim no matter where they are,not what they do. Secondly,they have a lot of money... and with money power they can buy a nation...or have you forgotten so soon what is already happening with our real estate market? Who are the people buying? Thirdly,there will come a time,when muslims will command a chunk of Kenya's wealth. They will be able to sponsor their own into parliament and finally they will pass bills into acts of parliaminets that will slowly but surely transform this nation into an Islamic state.

Guys this is a serious matter and everyone needs to see what Christians are saying. This is not merely a battle of wits between Wakristo and Waislamu,no! It is about your future,the future of our children and much more. Can you imagine waking up one day and Kenya is like some of the Middle East countries,or worst,like Somali?

Can I get a witness? May be am mad,but I like Kenya cos we are free to express ourselves anyway.



the voice of reason

...methinks this fear for Islam is much ado about nothing. Its typical stereopyping of those different from us that has made this nation so divided.

...the Muslims in TZ have far greater say in national agenda but is TZ any less cohesive for it?

@ mkristo

..i love the wit with which you've analysed motoring issues,put it here as well.

@All

Sorry,but you all seem so naive and misinformed.

That's all I can say.



the voice of reason

@mkristo you are very right..........the constitution is the supreme law for everyone......muslim,christian,hindu,atheist,etc,etc and as such the constitution should treat everyone as an equal 'KENYAN CITIZEN' and not as muslim or christain or otherwise......

All those other things like dealing with Islam issues,Hindu issues should be relegated to other statutes.......they deserve no mention whatsoever in the supreme law...

In that case then other courts like 'NJUURI NCEKE' courts which are also elaborate need mention here so that 'baites' can deal with their problems at their courts as well.....

Hiyo Kadhi court itolewe!!!

If you have money that you expect to start using in five years,it now belongs in stocks.

@B.T

I agree with you that I need to exercise tolerance.

Forgive me but am just like that,I say it as it is,may be to my own undoing. I dont bembeleza.



the voice of reason

@jit

whichever way you want to view it,GET THE POINT!!!

Inclusion of Khadhi Courts in the KENYA constitution is damaging for the future of this country.

I hope that communicates



the voice of reason

@friends

Thank you all for your contributions and I value your opinions.

I have heard from all of you and I read you all loud and clear,what am not sure is whether you read me,but it does not matter.

I will try to not be influenced by the Western media,i will also be tolerant of muslims and I will try to not be an extremist. Let us now put this matter to rest. Thank you very much.

Have a lovely week ahead


the voice of reason