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Finally the EPL kicks off!
mwenza
#1021 Posted : Thursday, January 06, 2011 11:40:34 AM
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The phrase "To get a result" as used in soccer simply means to get a win or a draw.

So one can correctly argue that Man U is the only club to have had a result in all their matches in EPL this season.

Unfortunately, thats the bitter truth.
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mwenza
#1022 Posted : Thursday, January 06, 2011 11:45:43 AM
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Watu wa asenali juzi mlifunzwa Hesabu na @MaichBlack, leo mtasoma somo la Kiingereza. Habari ndio hiyo.
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Ric dees
#1023 Posted : Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:08:47 PM
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The Man U fanatics are chest-thumping rightly so, however we can't push the panic button yet as the season is barely past midway.The 2 games away to Man u will define the season most probably.

I don't think Arsenal can win the title, unless they add a striker and a defender (read somewhere on todays paper, they might get Samba), but i think Shitty will give Man U a ran for their money, with a much needed quality striker to support Tevez, i now see them a potent force. For my beloved Chelsea sigh!! what can i say, 4th place is what we are fighting for now,We surely can't win this, however we might just win the champions league!!

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TAZ
#1024 Posted : Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:13:19 PM
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Mwenza @ Jus Blazin......As an Arsenal fan, any sort of draw against Wigan, West Ham, Stoke, West Brom etc always feels like a loss. I personally don't mind last night's result although i feel we were a bit unlucky not to get the full three points. Man Utd are 4 pts ahead but are yet to face Chelsea home/away and also play the return match with Man City so clearly there's a long way to go.

Vermaelen is expected back in Feb but already Wenger has indicated he'll sign another Defender should he fail to recover. At the fron we don't need anyone because almost all our midfielders can score goals.

McReggae....Last season Man Utd were knocked out of the FA cup very early in the competition and in the league the drew matches and lost several...all in the second half of the season!
mwenza
#1025 Posted : Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:28:05 PM
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TAZ wrote:
Mwenza @ Jus Blazin......As an Arsenal fan, any sort of draw against Wigan, West Ham, Stoke, West Brom etc always feels like a loss. I personally don't mind last night's result although i feel we were a bit unlucky not to get the full three points.



@TAZ................Now that is what i call honest talk. That explains why the two points dropped against Wigan will always feel more massive than the two dropped against Manshitty. There is of coz no embarrassment in losing points to the moneybags.

Aseno/Wigan match resembled Shakhtar Donetsk/aseno game. Those were points "deliberately" thrown away.
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McReggae
#1026 Posted : Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:06:18 PM
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[quote=TAZ]McReggae....Last season Man Utd were knocked out of the FA cup very early in the competition and in the league the drew matches and lost several...all in the second half of the season! [/quote

I always talk facts brazza,
These are the united stats for the last two years!

07/08
Aug-Dec
Games 20, won 14, drawn 3 and lost 3. Scored 37 conceding 11, goals per game 1.85 with a win rate of 70% and position 2.
Jan-May
Games 18, won 13, drawn 3 and lost 2. Scored 43 conceding 11, goals per game 2.38 with a win rate of 72.22% and position 1


08/09
Aug-Dec
Games 18, won 11, drawn 5 and lost 2. Scored 29 conceding 10, goals per game 1.61 with a win rate of 61.11% and position 3
Jan-May
Games 20, won 17, drawn 1 and lost 2. Scored 39 conceding 14, goals per game 1.95 with a win rate of 85% and position 1

09/10
Aug-Dec
Games 20, won 14, drawn 1 and lost 5. Scored 45 conceding 18, goals per game 2.25 with a win rate of 70% and position 2
Jan-May
Games 18, won 13, drawn 3 and lost 2. Scored 41 conceding 10, goals per game 2.27 with a win rate of 72.22% and position 2

Now you know!!!!!!
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TAZ
#1027 Posted : Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:50:47 PM
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McReggae....Compare Man Utd stats with the other top teams and you'll realize the difference is so minimal....there's really nothing special about your performance in the second half of the season only that other teams drop points with two or three games to end of season. For example last season, Arsenal's title ambitions came to an end on 18th April against Wigan....we had several players injured especially at the back, we couldn't defend our 2-0 lead with 10 min to play. Before that game we lost 2-1 away to spurs, failing to capitilise on Man Utd draw with B'Burn.

In total we lost three games in late April due to injuries to almost all our defensive players....nothing to do with performance of the team. If Man Utd were to play for two months towards the end of the season without Vidic, Ferdinand, Nani & Fletcher would you be so confident about your upcoming matches???


kyt
#1028 Posted : Thursday, January 06, 2011 7:09:25 PM
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@ taz i think you dont get the point here, the point is man u looses less points in the second half as compared to the first half, @ Mcreggea correct me if i am wrong.
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kyt
#1029 Posted : Thursday, January 06, 2011 7:20:58 PM
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today i will comment today, maybe this will be my first EPL related comment. man-u, though not consistent have, shown glimpse, only glimpse of champoins. most notably the villa game. arsenal have been consistent away thier only undoing is home form. that should be corrected if they are to win the league. the last two seasons three seasons have been won by a margin of 2 or less points, those urguing that 4 points is nothing need a reality check. if aresnal corrects the home form then they can win the league, city on the other hand are NOT champions material, they parked the bus against man-u, they did it again yesterday, champions DONT play that way, they play to win. to the man-u fans, enjoy while it lasts. to the arsenal fans, hate them or love them man-u have the best striking force and the second best defence in the league, i think they deserve to be where they are now, as of tomorrow i dont know! MAY THE BEST TEAM WIN!!
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McReggae
#1030 Posted : Friday, January 07, 2011 8:58:49 AM
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kyt wrote:
@ taz i think you dont get the point here, the point is man u looses less points in the second half as compared to the first half, @ Mcreggea correct me if i am wrong.


Exactly @ Kyt,
TAZ,
If those stats are the same for every other top team, how come United also improve on their position or bridge the gap in terms of points, this can only happen when united better the results of the other teams, otherwise positions would not change.

Aseno crumbles all the time in the 2nd half of the season, you justify last season, what abot the other season when Gallas as the captain remained in the pitch crying????......it was another aseno crumble in the 2nd part of the season.

For last season you mention two games why aseno never competed until the last minute, you forget that they did finich a whole 11 pointsShame on you Shame on you Shame on you below the champions!!!!!
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TAZ
#1031 Posted : Friday, January 07, 2011 9:23:40 AM
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kyt wrote:
today i will comment today, maybe this will be my first EPL related comment. man-u, though not consistent have, shown glimpse, only glimpse of champoins. most notably the villa game. arsenal have been consistent away thier only undoing is home form. that should be corrected if they are to win the league. the last two seasons three seasons have been won by a margin of 2 or less points, those urguing that 4 points is nothing need a reality check. if aresnal corrects the home form then they can win the league, city on the other hand are NOT champions material, they parked the bus against man-u, they did it again yesterday, champions DONT play that way, they play to win. to the man-u fans, enjoy while it lasts. to the arsenal fans, hate them or love them man-u have the best striking force and the second best defence in the league, i think they deserve to be where they are now, as of tomorrow i dont know! MAY THE BEST TEAM WIN!!


I don't believe man u fans can claim that the Villa game was their best so far....the reason why i'm not worried about the 4 points is that we have 18 games left to play that's 54 pts up for grabs, clearly has the league ever been won in January???? As it stands you cannot say that a certain team has the best scoring/defensive record because the matches played are not the same.

If you look at McReggae's stats you will notice that its only in 2008/2009 season that Man Utd managed to win more games in the second half of the season than any other season.....Christiano Ronaldo underwent surgery at the begining of the season and came back towards the end of the year struggling from fitness but he still managed to miss out on the top scorer's award by a goal or two, he was an exceptional player.

2008-2009 season arsenal title ambitions came to an end against Birmingham after Eduardo's leg break, who btw was the star player then....that was the match that Gallas went crazy on the team....like i said nothing to do with the general performance of the team. Last seaso we lost 3 GAMES in late April without Cesc, Vermaelen, Van Persie, Gallas and several other players...that's why we finished 11 pts behind Chelsea. As most football pundits say, If Arsenal can stay Injury free towards the end of the season, then the title would be theirs to lose.
Jus Blazin
#1032 Posted : Friday, January 07, 2011 9:24:53 AM
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@Taz, dont you and your fellow arsenal fans ever get tired of using this now becoming old cliche of '...you are yet to meet Chelsea home/away and also return match against Man City'?

Its like, instead of you focussing on Getting Results (as explained by @mwenza), you are hoping, nay, Praying for Man U to lose against the two teams. Who says we will not beat the teams? Who tells you, again, that the defeats will be of any consequence? Ama hao players wa Chelsea na City wako na miguu ngapi?
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Jus Blazin
#1033 Posted : Friday, January 07, 2011 9:47:10 AM
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@Taz, it does not hurt to admit that United are getting the results. Chelsea fans admit that their team is currently in a rot, United fans admit at times we've been lucky to get the results, but the results are what matter most. But arsenal fans?? Just admit you guys are very inconsistent! It doesnt hurt.

TAZ wrote:

I don't believe man u fans can claim that the Villa game was their best so far....the reason why i'm not worried about the 4 points is that we have 18 games left to play that's 54 pts up for grabs, clearly has the league ever been won in January????

Blackburn could be said to be the best, IMO. If 54 points are up for grabs, by all means Liverpool may win the league.

TAZ wrote:

As it stands you cannot say that a certain team has the best scoring/defensive record because the matches played are not the same.

@Mwenza,, fundisha huyu kizungu tena. AT THE MOMENT, United have the best strike force in terms of goals scored. The reason why you keep coming short in your analysis is because, you just dont know how analysis are done.

TAZ wrote:
As most football pundits say, If Arsenal can stay Injury free towards the end of the season, then the title would be theirs to lose.

All teams get injuries, that is why they invest in squads. All teams, at one point in time, miss their best players. The football pundits say what they say because Arsenal dont invest in their squad. If United, Chelsea and Arsenal could stay injury free all season, especially towards the end of the season, who do you think would be fighting it out for the title?

@Taz, you just got too many excuses for your team's performance, or lack of it. This past 6 years, it will not be recorded officially that Arsenal would have won the title were it not for the injuries. It will be recorded that Chelsea won 3 times, United won 3 times, and they deserved their wins, injury or no injury.

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TAZ
#1034 Posted : Friday, January 07, 2011 10:22:38 AM
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Jus Blazin.....I'm not a football analyst, so don't expect me to be on point on everything but whatever I've said is the truth if only you could stop being such a hater and look at it objectively. You cannot compare Arsenal's squad with that of Man Utd, Chelsea or Man City, we obviously lack in depth but we've been able to remain competitive in those six seasons you keep mentioning. You claimed Chelsea were your main rivals but we thrashed them. You came up with an excuse on why they lost against us samthing happened against Man City ati they were weak played against 10 men blah blah blah. If Arsenal were leading the League right now you'll all be here dismissing our title credentials claiming its still early and expecting us to lose the next game. No matter how bad it makes you feel Arsenal are right behind Man Utd waiting for them to make a mistake, I won't get tired of waiting because i know it will happen soon enough.

All teams in the league have one reason or the other for not winning the league so you cannot blame us for having one. Like i said sometimes back Barca went for 6 years without a trophy but now they are the best club in the world.

http://www.telegraph.co....the-perfect-season.html
mwenza
#1035 Posted : Friday, January 07, 2011 10:28:37 AM
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Its amazing how @TAZ keeps talking of injuries, injuries and more injuries as his excuses for mediocrity.

How has he conveniently forgotten that Man U last season, for over a month, played both Fletcher and Carrick as the main defenders. Does he realise what the effect of converting midfielders to defenders has on the team's midfield? How about the effect of playing a midfielder to the defence itself?

Isn't shocking that with all these shortcomings, Man U finished a single point adrift of the eventual winners.

Man U fans don't like talking of injuries because they realise that injuries are part of the modern game.
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McReggae
#1036 Posted : Friday, January 07, 2011 10:30:11 AM
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TAZ,
From my stats,
Man Utd had a better win rate in all the seasons during the 2nd half of the season, angalia tena!!!!....and plz stop yapping about injuries, come on man, which team does not suffer from injuries.....that is part of the game!!!!!!

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mwenza
#1037 Posted : Friday, January 07, 2011 10:42:31 AM
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Jus Blazin wrote:

@Mwenza,, fundisha huyu kizungu tena. AT THE MOMENT, United have the best strike force in terms of goals scored. The reason why you keep coming short in your analysis is because, you just dont know how analysis are done.




Huyu @TAZ haitaji Kizungu hapa. Anahitaji yale "mathafu" ya calculus ya @MaichBlack.

If at the moment a team having a game in hand has scored say 5 goals more than the nearest rival in terms of goals scored, how could failure to play the game in hand have affected that? The game in hand could only have exacerbated the statistics if everything else remained constant. So Man U have the best strike force at the moment!!

This is not rocket science.
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TAZ
#1038 Posted : Friday, January 07, 2011 10:47:35 AM
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McReggae....Compare Man Utd's win rate with that of the top three teams including last season.

Whether you like it or not injuries determine whether you win a game or not......how many points have Chelsea dropped without Terry, Alex, Lampard, Drogba when they were all out injured. They can't even win a game against wolves because some of their top players are lacking in match fitness. The fortunate thing with them is we are half half way through the season and not towards the end so they have enough time to recover. They also have a strong bench to replace the injured players for some damage control which Arsenal LACKS!

Fabianski; Sagna, Campbell, Silvestre, Clichy; Eastmond; Walcott, Diaby, Nasri, Rosicky; Bendtner.
Subs: Mannone, van Persie, Vela, Eboue, Traore, Merida, Henderson.

This was the team that Arsenal played against wigan when we lost 3-2 to end our title ambitions last season.....clearly most of those players can't even make our Carling cup team.

Mwenza....the goal difference between Man Utd & Arsenal is +4 but Man Utd have a game in hand....What i said is that you cannot start giving us statistics on goal scored/conceded when some teams have played more or less matches than others. Until Man Utd plays their game in hand (whether they win or lose) hakuna kitu mnaniambia.


McReggae, Mwenza & jus Balzin....Do you remember SAF excuse for not wining the title last season, here's a reminder..

http://www.tribalfootbal...tle-last-season-1320371
mwenza
#1039 Posted : Friday, January 07, 2011 11:17:57 AM
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TAZ wrote:
Mwenza....the goal difference between Man Utd & Arsenal is +4 but Man Utd have a game in hand....What i said is that you cannot start giving us statistics on goal scored/conceded when some teams have played more or less matches than others. Until Man Utd plays their game in hand (whether they win or lose) hakuna kitu mnaniambia.



TAZ.........We are not talking about goal difference. We are talking of the team with the best strike force in the league at the moment.

The team with the most goal scored thus far has scored 43 goals....and that team is ....you have guessed it correctly.....Man U!!

Hivyo ndivyo tunakuambia, sio mambo ya goal difference.
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TAZ
#1040 Posted : Friday, January 07, 2011 11:29:54 AM
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mwenza....I know what "best strike force" means but i didn't want to get into it considering Arsenal have scored 42 goals. Just the other day Arsenal had scored more goals and won more matches than any team in the league but it wasn't much of a big deal....My concern is with the goal difference which I'll comment on when all the top teams will have played equal games.
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