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Fueling Your Car? Watch Out!
milken
#11 Posted : Wednesday, December 22, 2010 10:51:14 AM
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I still work for an oil company which gives me knowledge of how things work as opposed to speculation and old wives tales.

The margins being made by at the station level have not been affected by the price controls (Reason being that the dealers enter in to a contract with the majors stipulating the guaranteed margins while the independents are able to get prices that are far below the recomended wholesale price). Consequently any tampering with the meters is due to thuggery and not price controls/ lower margins.

I think that Kenyan bash oil companies just because they hear people in the west bashing big oil (i.e. upstream companies)

I assure you that price controls will lead to oil companies making more profits while the public will lose. Already we have seen a surge of Ksh7 per litre in Kero and about 2bob in diesel. Only in PMS did we have a decrease in price (which begs the question, how much PMS is used by the poor or in industrial applications)
Itari muting'oe ihuragwo ngi ni Ngai
MaichBlack
#12 Posted : Wednesday, December 22, 2010 11:16:05 AM
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milken wrote:
I still work for an oil company which gives me knowledge of how things work...

...and experience on how to twist facts and lie to Kenyans in their face!!!

How many tales have we heard from oil big shots as they explain why prices should remain high, why when crude oil prices go up the pump prices go up by a higher percentage and do so immediately and when the prices reduce the pump prices reduce by a lower percentage and take for ever to do so etc. etc.

Or now you are the only honest chap who works for big oil?
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
gohill
#13 Posted : Wednesday, December 22, 2010 11:29:43 AM
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milken wrote:
I still work for an oil company which gives me knowledge of how things work as opposed to speculation and old wives tales.

The margins being made by at the station level have not been affected by the price controls (Reason being that the dealers enter in to a contract with the majors stipulating the guaranteed margins while the independents are able to get prices that are far below the recomended wholesale price). Consequently any tampering with the meters is due to thuggery and not price controls/ lower margins.

I think that Kenyan bash oil companies just because they hear people in the west bashing big oil (i.e. upstream companies)

I assure you that price controls will lead to oil companies making more profits while the public will lose. Already we have seen a surge of Ksh7 per litre in Kero and about 2bob in diesel. Only in PMS did we have a decrease in price (which begs the question, how much PMS is used by the poor or in industrial applications)


@Milken, i think you are very myopic in your thinking. How can you say this 'I think that Kenyan bash oil companies just because they hear people in the west bashing big oil (i.e. upstream companies)'. You mean we don't reason? If you work for an oil company do you have have that blind loyalty? You need to reason independently without that employer in mind sometimes it will help you. ABK!
nostoppingthis
#14 Posted : Wednesday, December 22, 2010 12:12:11 PM
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@milken, umeleta ujuaji hapa....Kenyans feel the pressure of coughing huge amounts for this commodity and you try to wish it away as a beneficiary in this industry. One thing for sure, in Kenya once prices go up, it gets very hard for them to come down, even if internationally price per barrel goes down...
Jus Blazin
#15 Posted : Wednesday, December 22, 2010 4:18:41 PM
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@milken, I know you want to milk 'em Kenyans up...@Maich, thank you for bringing this up. Information is key in this day and age.
Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
milken
#16 Posted : Wednesday, December 22, 2010 4:41:41 PM
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Now that the whole lot of you pretend to know so much about the industry by how much did the oil comanies prifitability reduce after introduction of price controls? Oil companies were practising price discrimination by charging higher prices in well off areas (CBD, Westlands) and subsidising the price of DPK and AGO especially in rural areas. What the legal notice has done is to even out the margins and bring predictability to the business which will lead to even higher profits.
I do not have blind loyalty to my employer but I hate it when people blabber over things they do not fully comprehend.
Itari muting'oe ihuragwo ngi ni Ngai
MaichBlack
#17 Posted : Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:08:16 PM
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milken wrote:
Oil companies were practising price discrimination by charging higher prices in well off areas (CBD, Westlands) and subsidising the price of DPK and AGO especially in rural areas. What the legal notice has done is to even out the margins and bring predictability to the business which will lead to even higher profits.

milken wrote:
The margins being made by at the station level have not been affected by the price controls (Reason being that the dealers enter in to a contract with the majors stipulating the guaranteed margins while the independents are able to get prices that are far below the recomended wholesale price).

What do you think an independent who got fuel at "far below recommended wholesale price" will do when he realizes the multinational next door is selling petrol at 94/= [for example] just like him? Do you need to attend an economics class to know what will follow? If the prices are the same, most guys will fuel at the multinational - power of a brand name. The only way for the independent to compete - as has always been the case - is to sell at a lower price. Watch this space.

In any case, even in the 'subsidized' [Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly by an oil company?] stations, fuel was still above 94/= before the price controls!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
fantony
#18 Posted : Wednesday, December 22, 2010 6:05:45 PM
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i know what i will do.. operate a fuel station.. when the price controls do not suit me.. say i have no fuel on sale..
Tommy
#19 Posted : Wednesday, December 22, 2010 7:05:45 PM
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kenyans always feel happy when they milk fellow kenyans n even milken has demonstrated this in his posts. What we need is change in the consumer behaviour.
Don't wait for the Last Judgment. It happens every day. ~Albert Camus, The Fall, 1956
tuvok
#20 Posted : Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:20:23 PM
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Maybe the way to go is to verify @Milken's comments regarding price controls and profitability. It is good to be informed all round.

I feel though for the guy who relies on paraffin as the only source of energy to cook etc. A 7 bob increase is enormously painful.
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