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Rank: User Joined: 5/9/2010 Posts: 1,418 Location: Nai
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OFcourse kplc rights wount attain over-subscription.there's too much demand for funds in trhe market right now as the nse is proving to be the best place to raise cheap funds.Sadly the offer comes at a time when the market is crowded with both public and private placements all seeking to raise additional capital. Clothing store Deacons this week said it will be entering the market to raise 800 million shilling through a public offer, Central Bank of Kenya plans to raise 5 billion shillings through a government paper while two banks and an insurance company are also seeking capital injection from the market. Your future depends on your dreams so go to sleep !
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,011 Location: nairobi
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@QW i tthink you may be wrong the market is awash with cash, the ecomomy is growing at 5% +
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/29/2006 Posts: 2,570
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@the Deal, QW. What is ur logic if any? The plan yesterday was meant to ensure some crooks get the rts as near as possible to KES19.50 since there will be oversubscription and extra allocation is uncertain. CMA/STELLA has been compromised! Who decides on issues like extension of trading hrs for 'thieves' to have a field day? The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,215 Location: Nairobi
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LOL... so @YBC buddy @qw is back in action? Or they are same people? Equity & Centum have under-written 50% so unless less than 50% of the Rights are exercised... Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/27/2007 Posts: 3,604
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and guys are waiting for the Wednesday deadline before dropping in their orders. kenyans! African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
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Rank: User Joined: 5/9/2010 Posts: 1,418 Location: Nai
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@ VituVingiSana . use you head for crying out loud. @YBC is my junior as far as investment wisdom is concerned.i am NOT @YBC . by the way there's a nice thread on the forum where we are sharing our best and worst investment moves of 2010. How about you make as laugh w/ ur worst move : Olympia and Eveready.LOL! It'd really go well to start the week off . hahaha. Your future depends on your dreams so go to sleep !
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,561
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Sober wrote:and guys are waiting for the Wednesday deadline before dropping in their orders. kenyans! Best decision I ever made!!! I knew the sellers would get desperate as the deadline approached. Simple logic: As a buyer, I don't have to buy. I can always buy the shares later. As a seller YOU HAVE TO SELL by 15th or else you loose your chance for good! If you don't have cash to exercise the rights yourself, that's money down the drain. To cut a long story short, I called my broker that day planning to make an order at 1.3/= but she recommended 1/=. I did her an email placing the order at 1/= only to realize later she actually got me the rights at 0.50/=!!! Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/13/2009 Posts: 1,950 Location: in kenya
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MaichBlack wrote: I did her an email placing the order at 1/= only to realize later she actually got me the rights at 0.50/=!!! Who is your broker?Mine would never do something like that.They stick to your order. '......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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MaichBlack wrote:[quote=Sober]and guys are waiting for the Wednesday deadline before dropping in their orders. kenyans! Best decision I ever made!!! I knew the sellers would get desperate as the deadline approached. Simple logic: As a buyer, I don't have to buy. I can always buy the shares later. As a seller YOU HAVE TO SELL by 15th or else you loose your chance for good! If you don't have cash to exercise the rights yourself, that's money down the drain. weird! My story is so similar. And my broker is also a lady. 4 told her to bid 1.50 in the morning after studying for an hour. She delayed placing the order and at around 2pm. She got them for 0.50. So lucky was i. The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Has anyone received kplc dividend and was it through EFT or post? I still haven't received. Who's their registrar? (and please let it not be Image) BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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2012 wrote:Has anyone received kplc dividend and was it through EFT or post? I still haven't received. Who's their registrar? (and please let it not be Image) My guys in kampala haven't yet received mine.. But i usually give two weeks allowance before complainin to cater for African inefficiencies... Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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I have been pondering why there is so much supply for kplc since the rights issue, and why it has the most deals traded day in day out. Then it hit me. If im a shareholder, and i apply for extra shares at 19.50 which, im certain to get. What would stop me selling at 22.00. Cash in and pay for the extra shares, to restore or increase my holding, and still make some dough. And most of the deals made are very small quantities. If my theory is true, this should cease to be from 22nd dec onwards. The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/2/2010 Posts: 1,075
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Aguytrying wrote:If im a shareholder, and i apply for extra shares at 19.50 which, im certain to get. Why would you be certain of this? We still do not know if there is going to be an undersubscription. So you may sell out now at 22 hoping to get additional rights at 19.5 and then fail to get the number of shares you sold.....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,561
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Aguytrying wrote:If im a shareholder, and i apply for extra shares at 19.50 which, im certain to get. What would stop me selling at 22.00. Cash in and pay for the extra shares, to restore or increase my holding, and still make some dough Better than selling your rights at 0.50/= or letting them lapse! You get to keep 2.06/= after commissions. If you pull this off with say 50,000 shares then you pocket 100,000/= plus for "using your brain" as one Bro Paul a.k.a. Kamlesh Pattni told judge Samuel Bosire during the Goldenberg Inquiry. But you must have some cash to pay for the rights - to be 'refunded' when you get the cash from the sale of your shares. It would have been more convenient though to just sell the rights at anything above 2/=! Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,561
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My 2 cents wrote:Aguytrying wrote:If im a shareholder, and i apply for extra shares at 19.50 which, im certain to get. Why would you be certain of this? We still do not know if there is going to be an undersubscription. So you may sell out now at 22 hoping to get additional rights at 19.5 and then fail to get the number of shares you sold..... Everyone is guaranteed to get 20/51 * shares held [at 3.00pm on 25th November 2010] + 1000. If you sell these number of shares, you are sure you will "get them back". Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/2/2010 Posts: 1,075
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Was he not talking about the additional/extra rights. Read his statement again. We are not guaranteed the additional rights.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/2/2010 Posts: 1,075
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If you are talking about the guaranteed 1000, it sure seems to be a lot of trouble to go in to earn 2500/= less fees
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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My 2 cents wrote:Aguytrying wrote:If im a shareholder, and i apply for extra shares at 19.50 which, im certain to get. Why would you be certain of this? We still do not know if there is going to be an undersubscription. So you may sell out now at 22 hoping to get additional rights at 19.5 and then fail to get the number of shares you sold..... i base my certainty on the fact that gov sold only 180m of its shares, this increases the chances of getting additional shares apart from the ones guaranteed by virtue of buying pre-book closure. Lets use the word likely instead of certain. The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,561
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I am made to understand that even people who bought the rights in the market can apply for additional rights! This is getting romantic! Picture this: You could have simply bought 100 rights at a premium then apply for as many rights as you can [at 19.50/= like the other shareholders]! You will be guaranteed of the first 1000 rights and the rest will be allocated on a pro-rata basis. For those of you who want to pull this move [applying for additional shares], you can still do it today. Talk to your broker. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2010 Posts: 2,221 Location: Sundowner,Amboseli
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Infact Form - E which is supposed to be filled by the guys who bought the rights from the market (equivalent to PAL 1 for those who had the stock before Nov 25th) has a provision for applying for additional new shares, jus like happens with the PAL 1. I'm picturing a guy who had like, say, 10,001 rights then sold 10K rights in the market at, say, 3 bob, then uses the 1 share remaining to apply for additional shares! @SufficientlyP
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