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Ric dees
#1 Posted : Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:45:43 PM
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(Your Views Bwana Young)

One of my Naijja colleagues was absoulete livid when this was aired sometime back bout Lagos. She says it was a misrepresntation of what lagos is/was about, i can see where she was coming from however i feel she was not seeing the larger picture or what the documentary was trying to achieve.

Can i have your thoughts Mr Young!!

www.bbc.co.uk/.../Welcome_to_Lagos_Episode_1/

PS: If this does not work google "Welcome To Lagos"

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young
#2 Posted : Tuesday, December 14, 2010 5:14:12 PM
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@Ric dees

The documentary should have been captioned "Welcome to the Slums Of Lagos " as the crew only visited the slums . It is not a balanced view of Lagos.

Is just like visiting Kagangware (not sure of the spellings) or down town or Kibera and title the documentary "welcome to Nairobi"


Makoko and other settlements mentioned are the slums, there are middle income areas like Surulere, Gbagada, Ketu, Palmgrove, Maryland etc and high brow areas like Victoria Island, Ikoyi, Lekki Peninsular etc that the authors did not mention.

The story of the slum dweller are absolutely correct but the given names of the people interviwed are not typical Nigerian local or English names, I reckons they hid they names while exposing their identities by being allowed to be photographed.

The biggest slum called Ajegunle located toward the port City of Apapa was never visited.

On the whole it is interesting and real expecially the Makoko story. What I do not fully agree is the aspect of refuse dump. Scavanger are there most of the day but they do not live there , they return to other slums in the evening and resume "work" the next morning. But again scavengers can be found in even UK dump sites .

But Lagos is the popular and the only story about Nigeria. With a population of 16 Million stuck in a small land mass the story of Lagos is not unexpected.

People always fail to mention the new capital city Abuja which was the city planned from scratch with mordern amenities. The best part of Nairobi is nothing to compare to Abuja. It is the best kept secret of Nigeria. But you will rarely hear of the name wheras it has been the capital of Nigeria since 1992!!! That was when Lagos ceased to be the Federal capital.

Send my response to your Nigerian friend. To the best of my knowledge my response is without bias or sentiment.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, December 14, 2010 6:06:29 PM
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@Ric dees, took me some google to find http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8llgvgHxHE

@young well said... Title of the episode denotes ulterior motive or cheap promotion for that matter. I was surprised only after Hurricane Katrina was I introduced to despondency in New Orleans - never knew it existed before.

So the series would have been much more informative if it had better balance - a view of slums all over the world from Mumbai to Lagos to their origin in Victorian Britain.
Ric dees
#4 Posted : Tuesday, December 14, 2010 6:41:15 PM
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@Young/Muganda

Yes i agree there is a different side of Lagos which we did not see, however this was the gist of the documentary (higlighting the slums) of Lagos. I have a question Messrs Young/Muganda, can we call Kenya Safari country (I have seen that advert somwhere) by and large this is true, but this may not be entirely true to the farmers of Kericho, we can also be Tea country or don't you see Kenya as an important transport hub in the region!! when all of this is true,we tend to associate with the sectors most relevant to us at the moment. Kenya has the largest slum in the region: kibera, which happens to be a part of Nairobi, so is that Nairobi well i guess yes!!

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#5 Posted : Wednesday, December 15, 2010 10:45:29 AM
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Ric dees wrote:

Kenya has the largest slum in the region: kibera, which happens to be a part of Nairobi, so is that Nairobi well i guess yes!!


@Ric dees

It was the largest slum until this year when census figures let the cat out of the bag. That Kibera has only 170,000 inhabitants. Not the one million people the media has hyped for decades.

http://www.nation.co.ke/...-/13ga38xz/-/index.html

Read this on the net: the population in kibera is 1.345 million people. this is the right answer belive me its right yeah enjoy your studies. =p


Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/...in_kibera#ixzz18AEi1G3W
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young
#6 Posted : Sunday, December 19, 2010 7:34:49 PM
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@Bwana Ric Dees & other friends,

The common mistake most people make is the illusion that Nigeria is all about Lagos.
Lagos is only a commercial coastal city like Mombassa. It was the capital of Nigeria up to 1992, but it it has ceased to be the federal capital.
Lagos is only a capital of one state out of 36 states A state is similar to a region in Kenya.

In that case Abuja which is the capital city is the first city or can I say the most important City in Nigeria. How many of you know about Abuja as the capital of Nigeria since 1992. ? Everybody is just talking about Lagos
out of ignorance.

For comparison reasons you can compare Abuja to Nairobi as you are comparing two federal capitals back to back. But you CANNOT compare Nairobi with Lagos as you will be comparing a federal capital (Nairobi), with a regional headquarters (Lagos).You can only compsre Lagos to Mombassa.
The fact remains what most of us write about Nigeria and Lagos is just hearsay, how many of you have visited Lagos or Abuja or Nigeria ?

I have visited Nairobi six times so I can comfortably write about Nairobi. I have visited Kampala once so I can say something about Kampala or Uganda
,

It is better to talk about where you have visited not hearsay.

To enlighten you a little find attached info about Abuja the capital of Nigeria, one of the best planned cities in Africa.

www.aboutabuja.com

Let me restate that Abuja is nothing to compare with Nairobi because Abuja is a planned city that was built from scratch from a virgin land.
Abuja remains one of the best kept secrets in
Africa
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Lagos has a populatioon of 16 million people while abuja is just above 1 million. Fellow Africans magnify Lagos and downplay or are ignorant of the beautiful city of Abuja, the capital of federal republic of Nigeria.
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#7 Posted : Monday, December 20, 2010 7:50:13 AM
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Young is a nigerian, better belive him or shut up.
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#8 Posted : Monday, December 20, 2010 2:31:30 PM
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You are right Mr. Young. I have had a chance to visit both Abuja & Lagos. these 2 are worlds apart, Abuja is beautiful, serene and organised. Totally different from the chaos that is Lagos.

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#9 Posted : Monday, December 20, 2010 3:26:32 PM
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What I can say is that Lagos deserves what the documentary highlights because Lagos is truly a mess!!!

But Abuja, now that is a well planned city. I hate Nairobi, but would not mind living huko Abuja - at least when I visited, everything was new and good.

For Kenya will soon find ourselves with a lagos in the name of Nairobi. A few nice places like vic island of lagos - kina runda, karens of nai, but everything else utter crap!

So @Young, I hope u guys keep Abuja clean and stick with the plan - and revise it as need arise - and fly that flag really high! The only oddity I noted was having the HQ of ports at Abuja - shaped like a ship...not cool.
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#10 Posted : Monday, December 20, 2010 4:26:27 PM
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@sigiriri, welcome back!smile
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#11 Posted : Monday, December 20, 2010 4:39:08 PM
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Thanks @Kadonye - I didn't think anyone would notice my absence...am flattered.

Just to mention, while in Abuja, I missed a flight back to Lagos twice - both times, my seat would be paid for by someone already in the plane - kulipia tikiti ya ndege kama matatu - amazing stuff out there in Naijaland. I ended up taking a bus back to Lagos - met 2 beatiful ladies kwa hiyo bus - of whom I remember one named Delight - nikirudi huko nitamtafuta....
Ric dees
#12 Posted : Monday, December 20, 2010 5:06:02 PM
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Greetings Messr Young and all from Baguret (Google it lol) najienjoy kabisa.

I will try to be short as possible as am stealing my families time, as you mentioned Young am well aware of Abuja as the capital of Nigeria (quite frankly learnt this in high school!) I can understand youe emotion bout all this but i guess my point was well lost within your reply.

Just like most things in life there are 2 sides and i feel this is what the documentary was trying to bring across and much as we may now want to talk bout it, i feel it's a very importand part of Lagos and brings a different dimension to what we may refer to Nigeria as a whole, how importand this is well your guess is as good as mine!!

I have seen the ghettos of Jo'burg/Capetown, been to Hackney as well as harlem in NY and Compton in LA. I love the way they embrace this as part if not THE defenition to the respective cities, and again what good is a city without soul and where is this soul derived from?

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young
#13 Posted : Tuesday, December 21, 2010 2:11:37 AM
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THE EXPERIENCE OF ROCK ROSE A POPULATION TANZANIAN CREATIVE ARTIST IN LAGOS. CULLED FROM cITIZENS NEWSPAPER.




It was glitz and glamour as the glitterati of Africa converged to crown the cream in the music industry at the Eko Expo Hotel in Lagos for the MTV Africa Music Awards.

To be precise all the best in the game including actress Genevieve Nnaji were there.
In the crowd, I could see former Nigerian soccer maestros Jay Jay Okocha and Daniel Amokachi.
They were all there to rub shoulders with the cream as they waited for history to unfold.

From when our flight touched down at the Mohammed Murtala International Airport, which seems to be suffering from some neglect, my heart pumped with anticipation of the Airtel sponsored event.

Naija models dressed in Airtel colours were there to receive us as we boarded the waiting special vans which later drove us in a police escorted convoy to the Four Points by Sheraton Hotel.
The organisers had made sure everything is in tip-top condition and as the natives saying goes, ‘there is nothing that is as hard to beat as the Lagos traffic.’

The whole city was adorned in either Christmas or Mama colours with giant billboards proclaiming, ‘Mamas is here’.
We were soon being brought up to speed with the culture in Lagos, which,of course, included dealing with the Naira, adding the letter ‘O’ to some words, and getting accustomed to being referred as ‘Oga.’
I must say, I was keen to know why the event went to Nigeria for the second time skipping Tanzania.

The venue
The venue of the event is Eko Expo Hotels in the Victoria Island of Lagos and I can’t help but mumble Eee! Eeee! By the way in Nigeria whether in Yoruba or Ibo, it doesn’t matter how many times you say Eeee!
The hall, which originally belonged to the Lagos state government, was one of the partners in the event, is a state-of-art-facility with a sitting capacity of 10,000.
The hall was clearly set up to handle such events with a VVIP area, which is bullet-proof overlooking the two stages.
Now, I know why Tanzania was not an option. So I choose to give MTV and Aairtel top dogs, Kevin Twissa and Alex Okosi a break.
Our Diamond Jubilee Hall is such a far cry in comparison to this structure, and I am reliably informed that such structures are many in Naija, which makes me coil my tail like a beaten dog.

The performances
On arrival VIP guests were treated to different tribes of cocktails plus a picture opportunity on the red carpet.
This is where those with a sharp and tasty dress sense either got it or missed it completely. But believe you me; it was a spectacle to behold as every fashion house in Lagos was represented.
The women some went for the paisley getups, the hugging minis was dominant and some chose to go grand on the evening gowns.

As for the men it was the usual, an Agbada here, a formal suit there and some just kept it casual with the jeans and there after it was drinks galore.
The opening performance was an explosive affair by Hip Hop heavyweight Rick Ross, and closed with an unforgettable rendition of “Win” featuring T . There were also an array of electrifying collaborations between artistes from different parts of the continent, mixing up music genres, language and cultures in an unprecedented extravaganza of African talent.

Among the collaborations were Nigeria’s 2Face, who hooked up with South African rock outfit The Parlotones.
Nigeria’s Banky W’s ‘Lagos Party’ brought together South Africa’s Big Nuz, Angola’s Cabo Snoop and Paul G and DRC’s Barbara Kanam rocking the house with the first ever truly pan-African version of the hit track.
Our man, Diamond, was overshadowed when he came on stage to perform with Kenyan outfit P-Unit.
Now this, I think wasn’t justice to the budding Bongo Flava artiste because this was his moment of glory, a perfect timing to sell ‘Mbagala’ to the rest of Africa.

However, even as the performances and the show stopping antics of the evening’s hostess American rapper, Eve, were great, power fluctuations was a problem that the organisers had to contend with at certain points affecting the lighting and the sound system. And we thought only Tanesco, gives us such rare treats! Clearly, power outages are an African specialty!

The presentations
These awards always serve as a learning platform for those that are either yet to win or organise and event of that magnitude.
Kudos should go to the props on how they quickly cleared the stage after every performance since very artiste had a preferred set of equipment.
The quickness with which the artiste acted to come to stage was something that showed great organisation, however, the old pet peeve of lack of a speech was there to haunt them as most didn’t have quality lines to give the audience.

The after party
They say that there ‘aint no Party like one thrown in Lagos’ and this event billed up to expectations. The after party was exclusive and only took in VVIPs, so you had to be the who-is-who to even peep inside.
Chuck D of Public Enemy in the other corner having a chat with Ruff Ryders’ first lady, Eve and even our own Cloud FM ‘s boss Joseph Kusaga, MTV country representative Christine Mosha and Kevin Twissa were all in attendance.
The venue, which was just opposite the Eko Expo Hotel was another celebrity affair as we danced and drunk until the wee hours.

To confess very few party animals slept a wink that night, because those who were not invited ended up in other Night Clubs like the Auto Lounge in Lagos’ upmarket Victoria Islands.
As we look forward to next year’s event, and I boarded the flight back to Dar es Salaam, I was still puzzled as to why P-Square decided to give the event a blank sheet. Of course, I learnt about their God-like image much later




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#14 Posted : Wednesday, December 22, 2010 12:04:47 AM
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Nigeria protests BBC documentary on Lagos
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The Federal Government on Wednesday protested against a documentary on Lagos aired by the British Broadcasting Corporation, which portrayed the city as a slum.



The documentary entitled, “Welcome to Lagos,” was broadcast on BBC2 in the United Kingdom on April 15.



Nigeria’s High Commissioner to the UK, Dr. Dalhatu Tafida, conveyed the protest to the BBC just as Nigerians resident in Chicago, United States, advised the government to do more to change the negative perception of Nigeria in the foreign media.



A protest letter by Tafida was sent to the Controller BBC2, Ms. Janice Hadlow, in Glasgow.



A copy of the letter, which was made available to the News Agency of Nigeria, reads, “The Nigeria High Commission has watched with dismay and disappointment, the first of the three-part series of your sinister documentary on Lagos which featured on April 15.



“The commission would therefore like to register its strong rejection of this documentary as a deliberate distortion of life in Lagos, and totally unwarranted.”



Tafida also said that the documentary was an attempt to bring Nigeria and its hardworking people to international odium and scorn.



He noted that the High Commission could not comprehend the motives behind the documentary, especially at a time when Nigeria was celebrating the Golden Jubilee of its independence from the British Government.



“Even by your own admission and standards, you have only succeeded in assaulting your viewers with upsetting scenes, that fail to reflect the true and complete story of life in Lagos,” the envoy added.



Tafida, who noted that sites of slums and ghettos were global phenomena, argued that “even in London, it is not uncommon to see people (not Nigerians) scavenge dustbins in search of food and other valuables.‘‘



Tafida stated that by not airing other aspects of life in the city, the BBC demonstrated a lack of balance and fairness.



He said, “What is more galling and most disconcerting is your refusal to document the excellent performance of the incumbent governor of the state.



“Governor Babatunde Fashola of Lagos State is widely acknowledged to be doing his utmost to address the challenges in the state.‘‘



Tafida pointed out that for a television station that prides itself of wider coverage and credibility, one expected a greater demonstration of professionalism.



When our correspondent contacted the BBC reporter in Lagos, Mr. Umar Elleman, he said that he had no right to reply to such an enquiry on the documentary.



“The BBC has a policy. A reporter has no right to reply on behalf of the organisation,” he said.



Elleman advised our correspondent to direct the enquiry to his email address so that he could forward it to the London office of the BBC for a reply tomorrow.



Meanwhile, Nigerians in Chicago have urged the government to promote a positive image of Nigeria in the US to change the wrong perception of the nation in foreign media.



They said at a US-Nigeria Business Forum, that the Federal Ministry of Information and Communications needed to embark on a more aggressive promotion of Nigeria’s image abroad.



According to them, the Ministry of Culture and Tourism as well the Ministry of Information and Communications should have been part of the business delegation led by the Minister of Commerce and Industry, Senator Jubril Martins-Kuye, to the US.



The President, Continental Africa Chamber of Commerce in the US, Mr. Ademola Dada, said the forum would help to counter the negative perception of Nigeria created by the foreign media.



“We have to promote many face-to-face meetings like this continually since we cannot influence bad news about Nigeria,” Dada said.



The Managing Director of Air Cargo and Travel Agency, Chicago, Dr. Wale Ajifolokun, told NAN that Nigeria had to boost its ego and write its story.



“If you wait for people to write it for you, they will do that from their own perspectives, which may be wrong,’’ he said.



Ajifolokun said apart from the infrastructural challenges and insecurity, the bad image of the country had been chasing away investors from Nigeria.



An exporter, Dr. Adetunji Oyedele, called on the government to address the problems of insecurity and kidnapping in the country.



He expressed surprise that the ministries of Information and Communication as well as Tourism and Culture were not part of the delegation.



He lamented that the government had not made concerted effort to sell Nigeria to the whole world, saying that the only time “they (foreign media) got to know about us is when something bad happens.”



“If you go to the tourism department in the US, Nigeria is not one of the countries which they have information on,’’ he said.



A business consultant, Chief David Olupitan, said the forum would go a long way to correct some of the wrong perceptions about Nigeria.



He called on Nigerians to come to the US to promote their products through direct advertisements and business meetings.



“Nobody can speak well of you than yourself. We need to start talking and shouting about ourselves and what we are doing,’’ Olupitan said.



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#15 Posted : Wednesday, December 22, 2010 12:11:44 AM
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THIS IS LAGOS - WOLE SHOYINKA REACTS

A BBC documentary series set in slum areas of Lagos has been branded "condescending" and "colonialist" by Wole Soyinka, the Nobel laureate and one of Nigeria's most famous living writers.

Speaking to the Guardian, Professor Soyinka said that Welcome to Lagos, the BBC2 observational documentary which follows various people in poor areas of the city, was "the most tendentious and lopsided programme" he had ever seen.

The series of three programmes, which concludes tomorrow, follows groups of people living in three impoverished areas: a rubbish dump, the Lagos lagoon and the city's beach area. The narration from the black British actor David Harewood overtly praises their resourceful resilience.

Welcome to Lagos has been well received by most UK critics and featured in the In praise of... slot on the Guardian's leader page.

Soyinka, a world respected writer and activist who won the Nobel Prize for literature in 1986, said the programme displayed "the worst aspects of colonialist and patronising" attitudes to Africa.

The 75-year-old, who splits his time between the US and his home outside Lagos, added: "There was no sense of Lagos as what it is – a modern African state. What we had was jaundiced and extremely patronising. It was saying 'Oh, look at these people who can make a living from the pit of degradation'.

"There was this colonialist idea of the noble savage which motivated the programme. It was patronising and condescending. It surprised me because it came from the BBC which is supposed to have some sort of reputation. It was not worthy of the BBC."

His remarks were echoed by the government of Lagos, one of 36 states in Nigeria's federation. Opeyemi Bamidele, the city's commissioner for information and strategy, has submitted a formal complaint to the BBC calling on the corporation to commission an alternative series to "repair the damage we believe this series has caused to our image".

Soyinka's work includes Death and the King's Horseman, the celebrated 1976 play about colonialist attitudes, and King Baabu, a 2001 satire on African dictatorships.

He has been an outspoken critic of how his own country is run, most notably in 1967 when he was arrested for trying to broker peace during the Nigerian civil war. He has also been an implacable opponent of corruption, was sentenced to death by General Sani Abacha, the Nigerian dictator, in the early 1990s, and has spoken out against the regime of Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe.

Of the BBC series, he said he "did not have any beef with any government" but was speaking as a concerned citizen. "I am talking about Lagos as a place where human beings live and work and which is a place I know intimately," Soyinka added. "It is a pulsing city – in many ways too pulsing for me, which is why I live a little way out of it. But it is such a rich city, and it is deeply frustrating to see it given such a negative and reductionist overview.

"What I saw I found very unjust and sensationalist. What I saw was not an honest reportage. The problem is the title – it programmes the mind of the viewer in advance and sets the overall context.

"One could do a similar programme about London in which you go to a poor council estate and speaking of poverty and knifings. Or you could follow a hobo selling iron on the streets of London. But you wouldn't call it Welcome to London because that would give the viewer the impression that that is all London is about."

Soyinka has close associations with the BBC. He has written many plays for the corporation and recently judged a BBC World Service playwriting competition and recorded a series for the international network about post-apartheid South African writing, to be broadcast in May and June.

He told the Guardian he will continue to work for the BBC and plans to write an essay about the series: "What I think the BBC needs to commission is a remedial series which takes a proper look at Lagos as it is today."

The BBC did not comment directly on Soyinka's comments but sought to defend the programme, which was made by KEO Films, an independent producer.

A BBC spokeswoman said: "Welcome to Lagos explores the impact of the massive rate of global urbanisation in one of the fastest growing mega-cities in the world. Its aim was to give a voice to those living at the sharp end of this ever-expanding population and highlight the resourcefulness, determination and creativity of those adapting to life in this most extreme of urban environments.

"The series has generated a broad range of comment, but it has been well received by both viewers and media commentators, many of whom have specifically highlighted the positive and unstereotypical portrayals within the film
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, December 22, 2010 10:45:42 AM
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Guys have you ever seen the west potraying any African City as a great place? They only always show slums. The case of Lagos is not new.
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