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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2008 Posts: 1,438
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I am amazed that 2 days prior to the closure of rights trading on the NSE, the GoK rights have not been sold. At least most of what we have been expecting has NOT been traded. I expect that we shall see some of them trade today and the pricing now looks like it WILL be sub 2 shillings.
In my view Dyer and Blair appear to have messed up on this as GoK is bound to get a lower price than what it would have got if the rights had been sold earlier. Or perhaps there is something brewing whose smell might not be not too pleasant?
Anyway the lower it gets all the better for some of us who are intent on buying. I am watching the ticker like a hawk today and I have my bids on the board at various prices. But perhaps, I may not even need to buy from the market as there just may be additional (extra) rights to bid for.
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/22/2008 Posts: 87
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Now am convinced that GOK will not bring their rights to sell in the market, it might be flushed out for specific buyer or left to expire to allow some people get them as additional rights applied for. Am not sad coz i already have about 15000 rights entitlement and i will be ready to take them up.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/24/2010 Posts: 846 Location: KENYA
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I am worried that these rights issue will be massively oversubscribed. Don't you guys think that if you are a non shareholder its a better startegy to pounce on the other stocks now which are slightly undervalued now then buy up some KPLC stock when the profit takers do their thing and lower the prices? Double hit combo! Whats your take guys?
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/8/2009 Posts: 274 Location: Ltktk
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mwanahisa wrote:I am amazed that 2 days prior to the closure of rights trading on the NSE, the GoK rights have not been sold. At least most of what we have been expecting has NOT been traded. I expect that we shall see some of them trade today and the pricing now looks like it WILL be sub 2 shillings.
In my view Dyer and Blair appear to have messed up on this as GoK is bound to get a lower price than what it would have got if the rights had been sold earlier. Or perhaps there is something brewing whose smell might not be not too pleasant?
Anyway the lower it gets all the better for some of us who are intent on buying. I am watching the ticker like a hawk today and I have my bids on the board at various prices. But perhaps, I may not even need to buy from the market as there just may be additional (extra) rights to bid for. @mwanahisa i dont see the need of buying them on the market.all you need to do is apply for extra rights if you are a shareholder and you you will get them all at 19.50bob. ...things fall apart...the centre cannot hold..mere anarchy is loosed upon the world...w b yeats
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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can one apply for additional rights after already filling in the allotment form Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/8/2009 Posts: 274 Location: Ltktk
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guru267 wrote:can one apply for additional rights after already filling in the allotment form may be you could contact your broker or the kplc company secretary on that. ama you could as well contact the share registrar and see whether its possible and if not then kama wanaweza replace your pal. but there is a way i believe! ...things fall apart...the centre cannot hold..mere anarchy is loosed upon the world...w b yeats
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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The Merchant wrote:I am worried that these rights issue will be massively oversubscribed. Don't you guys think that if you are a non shareholder its a better startegy to pounce on the other stocks now which are slightly undervalued now then buy up some KPLC stock when the profit takers do their thing and lower the prices? Double hit combo! Whats your take guys? exactly my friend, exactly. Im kicking myself for having money in counters when i should be buying all the bargains im seeing. Noted, next yr time like this...ill be waiting. On kplc, i dont see the price remaining where it is immediately the rights issue concludes. Its also one of the bargains! The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/8/2009 Posts: 274 Location: Ltktk
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guys i see kplc will pay over 71 million bob to the underwriters.does this mean these guys will 'earn' this money even if all the shares are taken and nothing is left for them to underwrite? and how was this figure arrived at? ...things fall apart...the centre cannot hold..mere anarchy is loosed upon the world...w b yeats
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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The Merchant wrote:I am worried that these rights issue will be massively oversubscribed. Don't you guys think that if you are a non shareholder its a better startegy to pounce on the other stocks now which are slightly undervalued now then buy up some KPLC stock when the profit takers do their thing and lower the prices? Double hit combo! Whats your take guys? exactly my friend, exactly. Im kicking myself for having money in counters when i should be buying all the bargains im seeing. Noted, next yr time like this...ill be waiting. On kplc, i dont see the price remaining where it is immediately the rights issue concludes. Its also one of the bargains! The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/27/2010 Posts: 324 Location: nrb
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/27/2010 Posts: 324 Location: nrb
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new shareholders -centum/equity getting them rights at discounted 19.5. A bit unfair to existing shareholders. some of us here said this could be highly manipulated. Doesnt price manipulation apply here? We know there are so many rights available to be sold to the market for adefinite period but you release perhaps tiny bits. Am rather intrigued on this.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2008 Posts: 1,438
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[quote=TUPAC@mwanahisa i dont see the need of buying them on the market.all you need to do is apply for extra rights if you are a shareholder and you you will get them all at 19.50bob. [/quote]
The jury is still out on this. If GoK rights are all traded between today and tomorrow, then there will be precious few extra rights to be applied for.
That's why I have got bids on the board with volumes increasing at lower prices as I have no idea what price GoK rights will be traded at if at all. If Gok rights are not sold on the market then of course I will just apply for additional rights. If I am supplied and they do not trade, that is a risk that I am willing to take but I am keeping some ammunition in reserve just in case.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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alikujia wrote:Also smelling a scandal i agree with you and mwanahisa. Hapa kuna kitu. First rights are advertised to death- which on its own is ok. But then in addition, where are gov rights?? Whats their plan, whats going on. It could be nothing, however when we are left to guess whats happening, we have to think the worst. The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2008 Posts: 1,438
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TUPAC wrote:guys i see kplc will pay over 71 million bob to the underwriters.does this mean these guys will 'earn' this money even if all the shares are taken and nothing is left for them to underwrite? and how was this figure arrived at? Sure they will. Easy money if the rights are fully subcribed. If they are not it is still great for them. Centum would end up with 10% of the rights issue while EB would have a massive 40% of the rights issue. Highly unlikely for this scenario to play out though. BTW, I have been buying both Centum @ 21.75 and Equity @24.75 this morning since the market seems to have pushed their prices rather too low!
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/8/2009 Posts: 274 Location: Ltktk
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Aguytrying wrote:alikujia wrote:Also smelling a scandal i agree with you and mwanahisa. Hapa kuna kitu. First rights are advertised to death- which on its own is ok. But then in addition, where are gov rights?? Whats their plan, whats going on. It could be nothing, however when we are left to guess whats happening, we have to think the worst. @aguytrng this is the scandal:most of the government rights will be left to lapse.very few are brought to the market at high prices so nobody will be willing to pay such premium. and guess what happens to the lapsed rights! the shareholders especially the big boys apply for them. the remainder are taken by equity and centum. thats all. ...things fall apart...the centre cannot hold..mere anarchy is loosed upon the world...w b yeats
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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TUPAC wrote:Aguytrying wrote:[quote=alikujia]Also smelling a scandal i agree with you and mwanahisa. Hapa kuna kitu. First rights are advertised to death- which on its own is ok. But then in addition, where are gov rights?? Whats their plan, whats going on. It could be nothing, however when we are left to guess whats happening, we have to think the worst. @aguytrng this is the scandal:most of the government rights will be left to lapse.very few are brought to the market at high prices s i see, not much of a scandal. Just the big boys colluding to have all the fun for themselves. This seems to have been their plan from the begining. The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/29/2006 Posts: 2,570
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Who knows the allocation procedure after 22nd? Is it possible for Centum n EB to take their 50% under 'the underwritting' pretext before we are considered for additional rts? @Vvs, I still don't trust JM. The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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And the flash trades have began!!!!! I've seen 6 million shares flash at 1.50... Interesting Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/2/2010 Posts: 1,075
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Now if only mere mortals like us could get them at these prices. I have placed a trial order for this price, will wait and see if am successful. I will report back.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/9/2010 Posts: 132
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What a counter this is turning out to be, the big boys have colluded to swindle the small guys, I think YSBChr might have had a point after all, the rights price was pegged so high (19.50), now you cant even find the rights at the right price (sub 1.50).Those cents will enable them "make a kill". Just my thought
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