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WILLIAMSON and KAPCHORUA H1 2010-11 results
mwanahisa
#1 Posted : Monday, November 29, 2010 9:58:46 AM
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WTK and KAPC have this morning reported their results as follows:

WTK

PAT 442,169,000 - UP 108.8%
EPS - 50.50. Of this 22.49 is from Operations while 28.01 arises from changes in FV of Bio Assets.
Interim DPS - 2.50

KAPC

PAT 92,244,000 - UP 105.96%
EPS - 23.58. Of this 5.60 is from Operations while 17.98 arises from changes in FV of Bio Assets.
Interim DPS - 1.25

In my view WTK's results are pretty good but not so much for KAPC. I still expect the results for both to be less than those for 2009-10, especially in terms of the profits from operations.
cnn
#2 Posted : Monday, November 29, 2010 10:05:39 AM
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mwanahisa wrote:
WTK and KAPC have this morning reported their results as follows:

WTK

PAT 442,169,000 - UP 108.8%
EPS - 50.50. Of this 22.49 is from Operations while 28.01 arises from changes in FV of Bio Assets.
Interim DPS - 2.50

KAPC

PAT 92,244,000 - UP 105.96%
EPS - 23.58. Of this 5.60 is from Operations while 17.98 arises from changes in FV of Bio Assets.
Interim DPS - 1.25

In my view WTK's results are pretty good but not so much for KAPC. I still expect the results for both to be less than those for 2009-10, especially in terms of the profits from operations.

Slightly lower profits from operations than i expected.Interim dividend..nothing to sing about!
Surealligator
#3 Posted : Monday, November 29, 2010 10:26:09 AM
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mwanahisa wrote:
WTK and KAPC have this morning reported their results as follows:

WTK

PAT 442,169,000 - UP 108.8%
EPS - 50.50. Of this 22.49 is from Operations while 28.01 arises from changes in FV of Bio Assets.
Interim DPS - 2.50

KAPC

PAT 92,244,000 - UP 105.96%
EPS - 23.58. Of this 5.60 is from Operations while 17.98 arises from changes in FV of Bio Assets.
Interim DPS - 1.25

In my view WTK's results are pretty good but not so much for KAPC. I still expect the results for both to be less than those for 2009-10, especially in terms of the profits from operations.


You did not mention the prospects they have stated. They lost automated harvesters due to arson attacks and vandalism. Union leaders are still calling for more strikes. A 20% wage bill will be added to the books by 2011, tea prices are declining etc. Not a good prospect. Thus the two will continue hoodwinking profits.
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mwanahisa
#4 Posted : Monday, November 29, 2010 11:13:01 AM
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Surealligator wrote:
You did not mention the prospects they have stated. They lost automated harvesters due to arson attacks and vandalism. Union leaders are still calling for more strikes. A 20% wage bill will be added to the books by 2011, tea prices are declining etc. Not a good prospect. Thus the two will continue hoodwinking profits.


What do you mean by the phrase "hoodwinking profits"?

I have noted that WTK and KAPCHORUA have always had dour predictions of their future propects even when things are good. If you read their 2010 Annual statements you may have seen that they had already alluded to do this. It has become an art form for them. At one point, I even thought they were doing it deliberately so that they could do a UNILEVER TEA on us. I even raised this issue at an AGM, which they skillfully avoided.

I acknowldged that the prospects may not be so rosy, especially due to rising costs but this will also apply to other tea companies such as Kakuzi as well, and Sasini to some extent.

I have been a shareholder in WTK (and a nominal one in KAPC and Kakuzi) for some time now. I have learnt that the best time to buy agricultural stocks is when their prospects are at their worst and the price is heavily discounted. We are not there YET and hence, I am not rushing to buy any of the agriculturals for my long term portfolio but I am now actively speculating on Sasini. I believe that it presents the best chance for short term gains. Risky though.
Aguytrying
#5 Posted : Monday, November 29, 2010 11:17:02 AM
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mwanahisa wrote:
Surealligator wrote:
You did not mention the prospects they have stated. They lost automated harvesters due to arson attacks and vandalism. Union leaders are still calling for more strikes. A 20% wage bill will be added to the books by 2011, tea prices are declining etc. Not a good prospect. Thus the two will continue hoodwinking profits.


What do you mean by the phrase "hoodwinking profits"?

I have noted that WTK and KAPCHORUA have always had dour predictions of their future propects even when things are good. If you read their 2010 Annual statements you may have seen that they had already alluded to do this. It has become an art form for them. At one point, I even thought they were doing it deliberately so that they could do a UNILEVER TEA on us. I even raised this issue at an AGM, which they skillfully avoided.

I acknowldged that the prospects may not be so rosy, especially due to rising costs but this will also apply to other tea companies such as Kakuzi as well, and Sasini to some extent.

I have been a shareholder in WTK (and a nominal one in KAPC and Kakuzi) for some time now. I have learnt that the best time to buy agricultural stocks is when their prospects are at their worst and the price is heavily discounted. We are not there YET and hence, I am not rushing to buy any of the agriculturals for my long term portfolio but I am now actively speculating on Sasini. I believe that it presents the best chance for short term gains. Risky though.


Quality stuff.
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FUNKY
#6 Posted : Monday, November 29, 2010 12:13:51 PM
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why has the price not shot up for williamson?..i got in at 180 and expected the price to reach around 250 after the H1 results.
mwanahisa
#7 Posted : Monday, November 29, 2010 12:22:07 PM
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This is the nature of Agriculturals. Uncertainty of prospects increases the level of risk, which keeps many investors off.

The paucity of dividends do not help much either. But at least this time they have given an interim dividend.

Agriculturals are not for those with a short term mindset!
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#8 Posted : Monday, November 29, 2010 1:56:49 PM
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Sasini are next with their full year accounts for 2009/2010. Lets see whether they will do a WTK earningswise or will turn out to be disappointing!
Crossing my fingers!
@SufficientlyP
Renegade
#9 Posted : Monday, November 29, 2010 2:22:41 PM
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FUNKY wrote:
why has the price not shot up for williamson?..i got in at 180 and expected the price to reach around 250 after the H1 results.


May be you better think of exiting. You can get your cash back today but forget the commission. The share has rallied a bit, but for how long?
cnn
#10 Posted : Monday, November 29, 2010 2:29:44 PM
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
Sasini are next with their full year accounts for 2009/2010. Lets see whether they will do a WTK earningswise or will turn out to be disappointing!
Crossing my fingers!

I wish you well.I really do.
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