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KulaRaha
#1 Posted : Tuesday, August 04, 2009 6:22:00 AM
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Up 5%

Looks like its going to be a flat year for banks....

Where is Member's results? Still cooking??


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Mainat
#2 Posted : Tuesday, August 04, 2009 6:27:00 AM
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'We are ... excited that our profits have increased from Ksh4.2bn to Ksh4.5bn' so Adan said. Does that mean BBK would ask for a national holiday if profits increased to Ksh4.8bn?

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jammo
#3 Posted : Tuesday, August 04, 2009 6:35:00 AM
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..probably would hav burst an artery! LoL!

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adept
#4 Posted : Tuesday, August 04, 2009 6:52:00 AM
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@Kularaha - Member have this time been unusually slow...trying to place their results in their proper context perhaps?
across
#5 Posted : Tuesday, August 04, 2009 7:47:00 AM
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not impressive at all. Huge 53% increase in govt bonds which largely contributed to the increase in assets from 166b to 170b.loans decreased by 8% while customer deposits decreased from 128b to 124b.their expenses still remain high particulary their mind bogling staff costs (3.28b!!). In my opinion,nothing exciting just like kcb results..i think the mid tier banks are the stocks to watch e.g. diamond trust,nic etc.,they have better room for growth.
gichini
#6 Posted : Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:03:00 AM
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@Across...i conquer with you. The results are not that impressive.

Picture this...
1. Increase in Govt securities q/q...Kshs 10 Billion.
How were they able to fund this increase? Partly due to increase in Balances due to CBK,which increased q/q by Kshs 6.9 Billion.
In my opinion,and assuming that the balances due to CBK was a loan,then their balance sheet would not have grown.

2. Increase in PBT year on year ...Kshs 220 million.
Decline in loan loss provision year on year...Kshs 400 million.
In my opinion,the increase in PBT would majorly be attributable to the decline in loan loss provision.
McReggae
#7 Posted : Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:16:00 AM
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Gichini,meaning that with the same loan loss provision,the profits would have gone down........same thing EB did in the quartely reporting.......but remember the loans have also gone down!!!!!

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gichini
#8 Posted : Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:59:00 AM
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@Mcreg...
I agree with you that the Loan book declined.

I noted that the decline in Loan loss provision is greater than the decline in Loan book . Could the decline in loan loss provision be a pointer to prudence in lending?
The General
#9 Posted : Tuesday, August 04, 2009 10:52:00 AM
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@ Kularaha,@ Adept,

Careful..those statements would make some people here start frothing at the mouth

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McReggae
#10 Posted : Tuesday, August 04, 2009 10:53:00 AM
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Gichini,most banks have been expanding the debt recovery departments probably resulting in less loan loss and this could be a reason the reduce the provision!!!!

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Kausha
#11 Posted : Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:14:00 PM
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Adan ni mpishi Bora....their Gross NPL book has gone up 41% while their provisions have dropped by 62%......obviously someone refused to make the correct entry for the provisions. Loan book shrinking by 10B in 6 months,struggling to maintain deposits and borrowing from CBK same as KCB....huu ni upishi but one good thing is that they can surely keep their costs under control.
VituVingiSana
#12 Posted : Tuesday, August 04, 2009 3:37:00 PM
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Just coz BBK's loans go up does not mean the loan loss provisions go up by the same factor. The general provision (1% or so) has to be increased NOT the specific provision. That 'loss' comes about later if the loan quality decreases. ____* BBK has always been more prudent. We saw that in the 1990s... unlike KCB or other banks that are 'newer'.

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Kausha
#13 Posted : Tuesday, August 04, 2009 4:02:00 PM
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VVS wewe familiarize yourself with the entire set of results. What you are saying is exposing you. Loans went down,gross npl's are the ones that went up.....look at the bottom page/disclosure page,the gross npls went up from 5986 to 8300. That equates to 8.4% of the entire 98B book. They are not earning anything much from the 8300. provisioning must then reflect that fact. dont argue about specific provisions,hiyo haina maana,hapana! worse is they are even carrying a naked exposure of 670m
VituVingiSana
#14 Posted : Tuesday, August 04, 2009 5:17:00 PM
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@kausha - I agree that its the NPLs that will produce the worst losses... Got the results but this weekend is crunch time for me to review KCB & BBK. As for loan/default management... I think BBK is among the better banks. They have much more experience & systems to follow up on folks who are likely to default. The level of provisioning does seem suspect vs last year. On the other hand,BBK took some tough steps in 4Q 2008 thus reducing the need for provision.
____ * I did not say loans for BBK went up BUT a generally an increase in loans does NOT equate to an increase in provisions (excepting general provisions).

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