Guys I really think we are not seeing through the Catholic stand point. And from a theological perspective, I believe they are most accurate and bold on their stand. I believe that at the core of their standpoint is the belief that God is sovereign and is the sole giver and taker of life. Even scientifically, a woman will not concieve everytime she has sex. It is only in a given season and even then, the chances (at her highest peak) are only about 2%. When you consider the controls that mother nature has invested in humans, you will realise that a woman does not conceive by chance.. In the small window of opportunity to conceive, there is an option of self control which is very biblical actually.

The whole concept of Birth control is actually an attempt by man in, his quest to lack self control, to then seek to control the outcome of his sin.In that way, man wants to determine when to get a kid and even what type of kid.( boy/ girl)

My arguement therefore is that the other bible teachers have failed to teach the whole truth about christianity ( especially as it relates to sex and procreation) and have preffered to deal with issues of money and success and one wife. The true christianity is realising that GOD is sovereign and you are but a piece in his jigsaw.... not trying to play God on some elements while denying others.

P.s I am not Catholic but I have been with them in these matters. What they teach is self control ( which includes abstinence)and to just be human and not half man and half God.

@sober, Monday blues nini? Relax dude and act like your wazua name.Where did I rant about the church?I just wanted info!I thought they could justify this biblically.

BTW, did you know they're probably the only church(apart from The Finger) who are right on the issue of booze?

The catholic church in my view is just stuck in a time warp. They rigidly refuse to see things that just makes sense and it's no wonder staunch 'cathos' ignore some of their rules and just live on.

The Catholic church has throughout it's history stuck to the so called dogmas and traditions some of which are mentioned no where in the bible. It is no wonder therefore that some of the changes have been 'forced' on the church. Does anyone remember the reformation and Luther's 95 theses? Do you know that as recent as the 1960s you could only celebrate the mass in latin? The church steadfastly continues it's objection to family planning methods, to married priests(despite the fact that priests have natural urges and molestation of minors by priests such a widespread problem). It denies sacraments to the divorced (even when one runs away from an abusive marriage), will hear nothing about ordaining women (surely!!) Etc etc. How long has the church taken to recognize that HIV is a serious issue and condoms use among discordant couples is a good idea?

@famooz, pombe is ok so long as you don't get drunk.@wendz,leona n other cathos, is it true?

Some teachings are hard to advance right?

My church teaches that beer is bad and all other forms of addiction. .....cigarettes,pot etc. Is this more from biblical standpoint or it is just moral teaching? as in is this based on what is right, acceptable and promotes peace within and without?.......

On condoms,i think the pope is telling the masses what the bible says.The bible teaches that sex before marriage is fornication,so when the pope says that condoms are not the way to go,he is coming from the teaching of the bible- the infallible word and he has a both a moral and spiritual responsibility; which not not a very enviable position.He calls all these 'aggressive forms of secularism'

but then condoms prevent diseases,conception etc and therefore to tell even married people not to use condoms to prevent pregnancy is hard to understand that logic.....and not everyone is abstaining since not everyone is following the teachings of the bible/ not everyone wants to wait/ chill and even for those who want to follow chill- ni ngumu sana!

@ Yesuwangu- What is twisted?

@ Kandonye,what do they say about booze?