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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/10/2010 Posts: 2,264
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i have been watching this forums and i was surpriced by people complaining about how tatu city is for the mega rich . don't despair you kenyan middle class society ,you have your own city.... don't let the rich dictate or set your standards.this town has also tried to set standards where controlled development areas have been introduced. for a new comer the foundation has already been set by us who decided to venture into the new world
my dear middle class folks lets all move to this town and its environs namely ATHI RIVER & MLOLONGO and together we can create a model city.Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/28/2009 Posts: 18
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I beg to disagree.
Kitengela demonstrates what happens when proper planning and regulation is totally lacking. No roads, no sewer line, no decent schools or hospitals - at least the last time I was there. One neighbour operates a posho mill, the other rears pigs next to your fence!
The middle class do not deserve that. Visit Nyayo Estate Enbakasi and try to visualise what the planners had in mind. Duplicate that vision 100 times in different sites around the country and you have respectable middle class housing.
For such developments, the cost of providing amenities and security is relatively low. When you have to be out of town, you do not have to worry about your young family or even leaving your house unoccupied for weeks. If you must have a garden, think leafy suburbs not Kitengela.
My 2 cents.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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@simpson, ati middle class dnt DESERVE what? Its the poor who do rait? TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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Simpson wrote:I beg to disagree.
Kitengela demonstrates what happens when proper planning and regulation is totally lacking. No roads, no sewer line, no decent schools or hospitals - at least the last time I was there. One neighbour operates a posho mill, the other rears pigs next to your fence!
The middle class do not deserve that. Visit Nyayo Estate Enbakasi and try to visualise what the planners had in mind. Duplicate that vision 100 times in different sites around the country and you have respectable middle class housing.
For such developments, the cost of providing amenities and security is relatively low. When you have to be out of town, you do not have to worry about your young family or even leaving your house unoccupied for weeks. If you must have a garden, think leafy suburbs not Kitengela.
My 2 cents. @simpson Depends on where you visited. In every town, you will find different people leaving in different areas. if you visited the areas of milimani, kyuna and I think its called muigai, then you will realise that these areas have controlled development.... In milimani area, they have an association that wont allow anyone to keep any sort of animals and the pieces of land available are limited. You cant also put up a flat or apartment and the like... and i think even kyuna too. In these areas, they have police posts around so i think that helps (not sure if they are very effective but they are there anyway). I am not sure what you meant by decent hospitals but if you have been there lately, you may have realised that Aga Khan has open a branch there (you can google to confirm) and Getrude's Hospital is opening a branch there before end of the year. There is also a school called Acacia Crest Academy which produced 3 top 100 students in Kenya last year. Their first lot had one candidate sitting for her KCSE at alliance girls... if that does not constitute decent education, i then may have been lost in translation. Within the area, there are children who school in riara, mombasa road, lukenya and another one called Kitengela international..... There are also developments where they are coming up with several gated communities and these are mostly bungalows. I think that is not very unsafe but i would have reservations building on my own if there are no neighbours around.... but there are many people who have done the that especially in the controlled areas.. And simpson... by the time we are thinking "leafy surbarbs" havent we already crossed the "middle class" line to the top? Personally i have done a study of the area and i know for a fact what i have said here is facts..... not hearsays but all the same, you dont have to stay where you dont want to.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/25/2008 Posts: 144
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Wendz, you are very right. It' one of the fastest growing towns in the country. It has provided some of us with employment ,homes and investment opportunities.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/4/2009 Posts: 700 Location: Nairobi
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@mpobiz. Although the project is dead for now I was wondering about Tatu's proximity to a slum or poor areas. Where would they get the labour to do the odd jobs and what kind of services would the city offer ... isn't that where the South African model city (for dem white elite folk) is also breaking down. The poor people may not be eager to relocate to central kenya. What you think? “We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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Scubidu wrote:@mpobiz. Although the project is dead for now I was wondering about Tatu's proximity to a slum or poor areas. Where would they get the labour to do the odd jobs and what kind of services would the city offer ... isn't that where the South African model city (for dem white elite folk) is also breaking down. The poor people may not be eager to relocate to central kenya. What you think? I would think there are enough POOR people in central kenya already.... ama where are these poor people relocating from? But well, such investments will definitely attract low rent housing.. someone will find an opportunity in this not so far from the 'city' and soon, a kayole will sprout.... I am actually wondering which part this would be because i wouldnt mind having one but problem would be mungiki collecting your rent on your behalf..... @silk... I actually noted that Gertrude's is already in operation! Impressive!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/4/2009 Posts: 700 Location: Nairobi
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@wendz. Whoops, polee if I was offensive; it didn't mean to come out that way ... I just figured the model for the city was like those of SA where Tatu was meant for Kenyan HNWs. I heard that the 'tatu' like cities in SA are no longer attractive to SA labours because security was beefed up in Jo'burg; they don't need to move for the work; the odd jobs that rich folk don't do ... not sure whether this is accurate ... So at least we'd have to acknowledge that Tatu would need proximity to some sort of informal dwelling ... or will create one to service the city. I suppose Tatu will provide it's own security against Mungiki. Nairobi is more mixed in population wrt to populous in slums that service our richer urban folk, so are you implying that Tatu wlll serviced largely by labours who belong to the community in Central Province? or will all kinds of folk move from informal settlement in Nairobi to the new ones that will exist? So you believe the service offered by the city will be low cost housing? And that will sustain the Tatu city years into the future? The city isn't on the tourist circuit and not in close proximity to any key raw materials. I personally thought Tatu City could offer entertainment services, perhaps casinos or other leisure services in order to sustain itself. “We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/10/2010 Posts: 2,264
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Scubidu wrote:@wendz. Whoops, polee if I was offensive; it didn't mean to come out that way ... I just figured the model for the city was like those of SA where Tatu was meant for Kenyan HNWs. I heard that the 'tatu' like cities in SA are no longer attractive to SA labours because security was beefed up in Jo'burg; they don't need to move for the work; the odd jobs that rich folk don't do ... not sure whether this is accurate ...
So at least we'd have to acknowledge that Tatu would need proximity to some sort of informal dwelling ... or will create one to service the city. I suppose Tatu will provide it's own security against Mungiki. Nairobi is more mixed in population wrt to populous in slums that service our richer urban folk, so are you implying that Tatu wlll serviced largely by labours who belong to the community in Central Province? or will all kinds of folk move from informal settlement in Nairobi to the new ones that will exist?
So you believe the service offered by the city will be low cost housing? And that will sustain the Tatu city years into the future? The city isn't on the tourist circuit and not in close proximity to any key raw materials. I personally thought Tatu City could offer entertainment services, perhaps casinos or other leisure services in order to sustain itself. PLEASE WAZUANS ....MY TOPIC IS ABOUT KITENGELA.. KEEP YOUR COMMENTS WITHIN RANGEPolitics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/6/2010 Posts: 242
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Kitengela is promising and the town is growing rapidly.However
water is a big problem . I have noted that some real estate companies/ plot sellers are now selling off property in the area under the estate gated community concept and even promising prospective buyers that they will build swimming pools , dig boreholes etc . Anyway the area near East Africa University/Kamapala
University is an area to watch .
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/29/2010 Posts: 216 Location: Kenia
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I will visit Kitengela to check out the hood. In terms of amenities, security, accessibility and affordability is Ongata Rongai, Kitengela or Ruai tops ?
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/22/2007 Posts: 336
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just visit membley park estate and experience good planning and though no water and sewerage,i think this is a decent place to watch and it is relatively near to Thika road and the new bypass. Advice is like snow.The softer it lands the harder is sticks.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/4/2009 Posts: 700 Location: Nairobi
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mpobiz wrote:Scubidu wrote:@wendz. Whoops, polee if I was offensive; it didn't mean to come out that way ... I just figured the model for the city was like those of SA where Tatu was meant for Kenyan HNWs. I heard that the 'tatu' like cities in SA are no longer attractive to SA labours because security was beefed up in Jo'burg; they don't need to move for the work; the odd jobs that rich folk don't do ... not sure whether this is accurate ...
So at least we'd have to acknowledge that Tatu would need proximity to some sort of informal dwelling ... or will create one to service the city. I suppose Tatu will provide it's own security against Mungiki. Nairobi is more mixed in population wrt to populous in slums that service our richer urban folk, so are you implying that Tatu wlll serviced largely by labours who belong to the community in Central Province? or will all kinds of folk move from informal settlement in Nairobi to the new ones that will exist?
So you believe the service offered by the city will be low cost housing? And that will sustain the Tatu city years into the future? The city isn't on the tourist circuit and not in close proximity to any key raw materials. I personally thought Tatu City could offer entertainment services, perhaps casinos or other leisure services in order to sustain itself. PLEASE WAZUANS ....MY TOPIC IS ABOUT KITENGELA.. KEEP YOUR COMMENTS WITHIN RANGE Good point. Okay let's not sidetrack. The questions above though aren't as irrelevant as you might think, becoz kitengela and tatu aren't housing estates, right. Turning Kitengela into a city. Say you zone kitengela city into all the different areas such with residential housing and others for commercial uses, etc... what kind of services would be offered by the city ... like Nairobi offers a lot, Thika was supposed to be a manufacturing hub (city) ... will Kitengela have a way of sustaining itself by offering different services; I don't know much about kitengela, but perhaps u could shed some light. Secondly. Is there labourforce to service the building of this city in terms of building infrastructure and where will they stay (i.e., will we need an informal settlement); that's all I was getting at in the above post. I was more interested in Tatu becoz of its location. I hope it's more relevant ... not looking for definate answers but just brainstorming. “We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/8/2009 Posts: 67
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I am almost finishing my house in Kitengela (Muigai). Every weekend when I visit the site, I am always amazed at the pace of development. Somebody is excavating, a second one is doing walls, a 3rd one is roofing, another one one moved in yesterday...get my drift. Some of the houses are quite magnificent, if you ask me.
What worries me is that Kitengela shopping centre itself is quite poorly planned. Drive through the main road nowadays and you experience jam. That said, I hope the town will transition to a nice urban setting and if you look at some of the developments being done away from the centre of the town, you get a feel that it is shaping up.
Amenities are not too bad. Wendz mentioned hospitals - I believe Gertrudes is open now. Think I saw a road sign showing where the hospital is. I know in Muigai there is a police post. The roads in the estate can be messy in the rainy season and EPZ waterline is not always reliable (as a precaution, under my garage, did an underground tank of about 27,000 litres to act as reserves). For sewage, septic tank construction is pretty cheap nowadays.
What struck me is the sense of community that pervades the estate. Cooperation with AP is high, some of the worst affected roads have been patched by harambee efforts or somebody just moves the hardcore they dug up when doing the septic tank/driveway and fills up huge pothole on the road etc. IMHO, as more middle-class move in, the amenities may have to shape up as well. Even shopping malls, presence of banks and other services will follow the people. Right now, hardware shops and construction materials suppliers are spoilt for business!
Maybe its too early to say Kitengela will be a city of some sort but what I know is this - I am liking the place already, even though I still have several months before I can move in.
Definitely worth checking out.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,211 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
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qadaffi wrote:I am almost finishing my house in Kitengela (Muigai). Every weekend when I visit the site, I am always amazed at the pace of development. Somebody is excavating, a second one is doing walls, a 3rd one is roofing, another one one moved in yesterday...get my drift. Some of the houses are quite magnificent, if you ask me.
What worries me is that Kitengela shopping centre itself is quite poorly planned. Drive through the main road nowadays and you experience jam. That said, I hope the town will transition to a nice urban setting and if you look at some of the developments being done away from the centre of the town, you get a feel that it is shaping up.
Amenities are not too bad. Wendz mentioned hospitals - I believe Gertrudes is open now. Think I saw a road sign showing where the hospital is. I know in Muigai there is a police post. The roads in the estate can be messy in the rainy season and EPZ waterline is not always reliable (as a precaution, under my garage, did an underground tank of about 27,000 litres to act as reserves). For sewage, septic tank construction is pretty cheap nowadays.
What struck me is the sense of community that pervades the estate. Cooperation with AP is high, some of the worst affected roads have been patched by harambee efforts or somebody just moves the hardcore they dug up when doing the septic tank/driveway and fills up huge pothole on the road etc. IMHO, as more middle-class move in, the amenities may have to shape up as well. Even shopping malls, presence of banks and other services will follow the people. Right now, hardware shops and construction materials suppliers are spoilt for business!
Maybe its too early to say Kitengela will be a city of some sort but what I know is this - I am liking the place already, even though I still have several months before I can move in.
Definitely worth checking out.
Powerfully prophetic words from 2010! Qadaffi I am not sure you are still on this forum but the Kitengela of today has met and exceeded all these predictions. Kitengela is the FUTURE and a no-brainer to invest in given so many factors; 1. One of the most cosmopolitan suburbs in Nairobi, literally representing the face of Kenya. 2. Land, even now, is still affordable for the middle class despite a huge rise in prices over the past decade. Just saw an ad for an 1/8 acre in Milimani for 1.2m Far cry from the tens of millions one would cough for the same within Nairobi proper! 3. Mindru to upper crass has invaded Kitengela like weeds! Was at Naivas recently and was shocked by the number of Benzes, brand new cars and "posh accents" of those milling around the area. The days of Kitengela being a sleepy backwater for nyama choma roasting alone are long gone. 4. Super-strategic location. Minutes from Athi River SGR, gateway to Arusha via Namanga, JKIA is minutes away. Centre of the universe for Athi River, Konza City, Isinya-Kajiado and even Kiserian-Rongai once the connector roads are done. 5. Demographic trends. As the economy booms and the mindru crass fans into Kitengela in droves, they organise themselves and the whole town improves street by street. Kitengela CBD looks completely different from the crumbling few shops it was in 2010. Who knew that the main service lanes would all be tarmacked! I have seen local businesses doing cabro on the feeder roads next to their buildings. Who knew a huge Mall would be springing up in 2018! These mindru crass folks bring with them power, influence and good taste (hopefully), which translates to amenities slowly trickling into the town. Corporates also follow them, that's why Kitengela is now flooded with supermarkets and banks. Bottom line, if one has not invested in Kitengela YET they better hurry. In 5 years time we will be talking crazy prices for an 1/8th. Already parcels are getting rarer and rarer in Chuna, Muigai, Milimani and other controlled estates as they are getting heavily built up and people are moving in daily. In fact if I was not busy dumping my resources on my mjengo elsewhere, I would buy a couple more parcels in Kenya's fastest growing city where people from as far away as Congo are flooding in to take advantage of the incredible opportunities there!
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/1/2010 Posts: 511 Location: kandara, Murang'a
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How far is Sholinke from Kitengela as have a friend who bought there thinking it's Kite? Amenities are not too bad. Wendz mentioned hospitals - I believe Gertrudes is open now. Think I saw a road sign showing where the hospital is. I know in Muigai there is a police post. The roads in the estate waterline is not always reliable (as a precaution, under my garage, did an underground tank of about 27,000 litres to act as reserves). For sewage, septic tank construction is pretty cheap nowadays. What struck me is the sense of community that pervades the estate. Cooperation with AP is high, some of the worst affected roads have been patched by harambee efforts or somebody just moves the hardcore they dug up when doing the septic tank/driveway and fills up huge pothole on the road etc. IMHO, as more middle-class move in, the amenities may have to shape up as well. Even shopping malls, presence of banks and other services will follow the people. Right now, hardware shops and construction materials suppliers are spoilt for business! Maybe its too early to say Kitengela will be a city of some sort but what I know is this - I am liking the place already, even though I still have several months before I can move in. Definitely worth checking out.[/quote] Foresight..
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/13/2015 Posts: 1,590
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Regeneration of older centres is more likely going by the Big4 Agenda and the Nairobi master plan. You are likely to see regeneration of areas such as Pangani, Nairobi river waterfront, Ngara, Eastleigh, Parklands, Ngong road, Jogoo road, Muthurwa Railways areas. Quote:Analysts have cautioned real estate investors to look out for urban cycles playing out in the country where buyers begin to exit former hotspots.
During the two-day 2018 East Africa Property Investment Summit which began yesterday, EAPI managing director Kfir Rusin said East Africa was now running a full cycle from initial generation of new conurbations, to the regeneration of older centres.
A conurbation is an extensive urban area resulting from the expansion of several cities or towns so that they merge but usually retain their separate identities.
"The new Hass County Land Prices Report shows a clear picture of early waves of development driven by advantages of accessibility, location, local activity, and resources such as strong water supply. But as development intensifies, many conurbations experience an evolving character that triggers waves of buyer flight and then a new type of influx," he said. https://www.the-star.co....-investors-told_c1749041
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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gatoho wrote:How far is Sholinke from Kitengela as have a friend who bought there thinking it's Kite?
Amenities are not too bad. Wendz mentioned hospitals - I believe Gertrudes is open now. Think I saw a road sign showing where the hospital is. I know in Muigai there is a police post. The roads in the estate waterline is not always reliable (as a precaution, under my garage, did an underground tank of about 27,000 litres to act as reserves). For sewage, septic tank construction is pretty cheap nowadays.
What struck me is the sense of community that pervades the estate. Cooperation with AP is high, some of the worst affected roads have been patched by harambee efforts or somebody just moves the hardcore they dug up when doing the septic tank/driveway and fills up huge pothole on the road etc. IMHO, as more middle-class move in, the amenities may have to shape up as well. Even shopping malls, presence of banks and other services will follow the people. Right now, hardware shops and construction materials suppliers are spoilt for business!
Maybe its too early to say Kitengela will be a city of some sort but what I know is this - I am liking the place already, even though I still have several months before I can move in.
Definitely worth checking out. [/quote] Sholinke is half way between Rongai and Kitengela. It's accessible past Nazarene or alternatively via pipeline road "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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