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I SAY NO to Bank Loan To Buy Shares
young
#1 Posted : Saturday, October 10, 2009 4:05:00 PM
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As popular or attractive as it is,these are my reasons why I do not take bank loans to buy shares
(a) High Interest rate. A high interest rate ranging from 16 - 25 % in african countries is a killer. If you factor in this and stock transaction charges,then it is just too high. You are actually enriching the financial institution as bank creates (multiplies or increases) their money by giving out loans.
(b) Risk Of Investment:- The market is unpredictable,what happens if the stocks that you buy drop considerably in value and you still have to pay back the principal and interest within a stipulated time ?
© Why The hurry ? Capital or stock market by definition is for long term. You can build your portfolio gradually and steadily over time and with rest of mind. If you consider investment as part of your expenditure and set aside at least 20% of your income for investment,you will wiill still get there with time. It is more of an attitude than how much you earn.
(d) Flexibility :- My reservation with loans which you pay back from your profit or salary is that you must always pay back or re-schudule at a higher premium whether you have other pressing needs or not. Life itself is flexible and the expenditure pattern of any particular individual varies. So you enslave yourself by taking loans to invest.

If you take a mortgage loan to supplement your savings to buy property (not land) to let,and if the rental income can pay the interest on the loan,that makes sense.


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sparkly
#2 Posted : Sunday, October 11, 2009 8:49:00 PM
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@young your ignorance appals me.fyi people take loans for different reasons-for school fees,buy consumer goods,holidays. now why not take a loan to invest in shares? A person in the know will tell you that shares are an asset class just like real property,but more risky. The main considerations are risk and the return on investment. Right now,if i had the means i would take a 1 year loan and invest in safcom,bat & co.op equally. I assure you that in the next one year this portifolio will outperform any return on property. The question is,will the returns compensate me well enough for the risks taken? Why do you think centum wants to raise a bond to invest? A bond is also debt man,Wisen up!
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Kamaa
#3 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 6:12:00 AM
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@ young

i beg to concur with you.. esp. with your Why The hurry point..

investing in the stock exchange is more of an attitude and ideally it should be an avenue to save for future gain (read investment) than a business (read a trade or profession)...

@ sparkly

majority who laughs at the stock exchange are those who invest as a leisure (save regularly and in the process realize an opportunity to make a kill) than those who run it as a line of work (borrow money and trade),but i stand to be corrected..

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mukiha
#4 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 7:16:00 AM
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@Young: 'AMEN' to that! In fact I go a step further and advice anyone willing to listen that they should never put essential money in the stock market!!

E.g. You have saved 500k for a buying a house. Then your broker tells you that SCOM will hit 5-bob by year end....so you put your 500k @3.80...hoping to walk away with 650k in January....big mistake. There is absolutely no certainty that it will go to 5-bob. The probability that it will go to 5 is equal to that it will drop to 3-bob!!!

Essential money belongs in your savings account...keep it there and look for a house,then use it as a down payment......

For the stock market; you only put put money that you can afford to lose!

And to take a loan to buy stocks? That is just reckless!!

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Mainat
#5 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 7:27:00 AM
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I'd rather you borrow to buy shares than borrow to buy a car...only caveat is you do your research before you invest and do what suits your risk apetite and age (i.e. some things are not recommnded for the over 40s).



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mukiha
#6 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 7:39:00 AM
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But @MainaT,I doubt if anybody buys a personal car [not commercial car] hoping to make a profit out of it.....on the other hand,I doubt that anybody buys shares hoping to make a loss!!!

The catch is in what you are HOPING for.

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novestor
#7 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 7:45:00 AM
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Young,you made the following post,On leveraging on blue chips:-
http://www.stockskenya.c...spx?stk=0&top=18134

Then you come here again and say: I SAY NO to Bank Loan To Buy Shares.

Do you know what leveraging means? Isn't it buying stocks using debt?

Anyway,at times it makes a lot more sense to use loans to buy stock than use savings,depends on your analysis of the risk. Risk is a big part of making money.

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Agra
#8 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 9:51:00 AM
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@ sparkly
Let assume i bought shares in 2007 bbk @ 77 per 1000 shares.I took a loan of 80k we are in the 3rd year now and am yet to realise any return on my investment actually am sitting on a loss of 25% plus the interest on loan of 16 %.It means i should not have taken the loan coz i would have made loss.


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cleokip
#9 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 10:50:00 AM
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My advice to a bank loan to invest is that one should weigh what type of investor/ trader he or she is. If you are a trade,and you are expecting to earn 50% return in a year,getting a loan is a good idea. But you should have strict money management so you dont risk much of your capital in one trade,the point in trading is to stay in the game before you hit a home run. Second,if you are an investor,historical records shows that stocks returns an annual rate of 12% over a long period of time,so borrowing to invest is not wise at all.Good luck everybody

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sparkly
#10 Posted : Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:05:00 PM
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@ Agra. I appreciate you concerns,but yours is an overly simplistic example.



You could make a loss whether the money came from your savings,from the bank or from the lottery.



You could as well have:



· bought BAT when it lingered around 128 – 130 with that same loan in February/ March this year,

· collected about SH 15 per share in dividend up to September

· liquidated the shares in October at SH 176.



That amounts to a dividend yield of about 12% on your investment (25% annualized since you liquidate your shares in 6 months or so). Capital gains of 54%.



Your cost would be the loan interest at 16% reducing balance!



I wonder which other class of asset would have realized this kind of return? This is just an example. Many other shares performed similarly in the same period.



Investing your money (savings or borrowings) in stocks or anywhere else must not be taken as an hobby,otherwise it will turn out to be a very expensive one.



You must exercise the well known principles of investing if you choose to invest. For shares you must:



· Do your research or seek professional help

· Establish your risk tolerance level

· Build a diversified portfolio to manage risk

· Re-invest your returns for compound growth

· Match your financing to the expected returns

· Most importantly know when to take your profits,dollar average or take a loss.



I will accept the wisdom of anyone who thinks otherwise,with good reasons



@ cleokip. I agree with your analysis,in addition the loan should be considered as capital. The loan will be repaid in one year,If one invested the capital wisely (taking care to avoid erosion by the principles above),the returns on investment can be reinvested long after the loan is repaid.
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