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Kenya Airways: Stock to watch...
bartum
#61 Posted : Monday, November 08, 2010 4:34:39 PM
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My 2 cents wrote:
If I were KQs management I would declare a div of 4 bob if EPS is 6 bob. This would excite the stock alright becausd the div yield woud be a very high 9% as at todays prices.

dreams are made of this.
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#62 Posted : Monday, November 08, 2010 4:37:59 PM
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KIRTI wrote:
KQ will earn atleast 6 bob for full year 2010/11. At the PE ratio of 12, Share price will be 72. Buy at current price @44 / 44.25.
You will never go wrong. I think before December it will go up to 60 & next year June it will go up to 72 to 80. I will sell my unproductive share like BOC & will buy KQ at current price.


i think this qualifies as a rumor! albeit backed by reasoning. smile smile
you should attach a caveat.
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hisah
#63 Posted : Monday, November 08, 2010 4:41:16 PM
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The main risk to KQ is if oil prices manage to reclaim the $100/barrel by end of Dec 2010. If such a scenario plays out as the $ continues its weakness trend, that means more fuel costs for the 2H. Also a weak $ means losses against the Ksh, thus reducing ticket income for foreign routes.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
alikujia
#64 Posted : Monday, November 08, 2010 4:56:19 PM
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My 2 cents wrote:
If I were KQs management I would declare a div of 4 bob if EPS is 6 bob. This would excite the stock alright becausd the div yield woud be a very high 9% as at todays prices.

mmmmh, dreams of the shareholder. How will that help management?, when all cash is given out?
My 2 cents
#65 Posted : Monday, November 08, 2010 5:05:25 PM
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alikujia wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
If I were KQs management I would declare a div of 4 bob if EPS is 6 bob. This would excite the stock alright becausd the div yield woud be a very high 9% as at todays prices.

mmmmh, dreams of the shareholder. How will that help management?, when all cash is given out?


Management have a lot to gain when a company's capitalisation is enhanced. (i.e. when the shares price in their company rises)

Ask me if it not immediately evident to you why...
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#66 Posted : Monday, November 08, 2010 5:10:57 PM
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My 2 cents wrote:
Management have a lot to gain when a company's capitalisation is enhanced. (i.e. when the shares price in their company rises)

Ask me if it not immediately evident to you why...


you are referring to Market capitalisation..not company capitalisation..

one refers to shareholders valuation of company assets and business..the latter refers to actual fundamental valuation of the company assets and business..

Market capitalisation is more a factor of perception..by investing public..the other..has to be authenticated as true and fair by auditors.
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mwanahisa
#67 Posted : Monday, November 08, 2010 5:38:38 PM
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My 2 cents wrote:
If I were KQs management I would declare a div of 4 bob if EPS is 6 bob. This would excite the stock alright becausd the div yield woud be a very high 9% as at todays prices.


I am afraid that will NOT happen (I am tempted to say NEVER but that would be too much). At the Investor Briefing TN indicated that KQ requires to raise $250 million as deposits for the 787s it has on order from Boeing. Currently, they only have about $100 million in cash.

Considering that they will even have to take loans to finance part of the deposit, you can be sure you are most likely going to receive Kshs 1 or at best Kshs 1.50 dividend. So if you are buying KQ for the dividends, better keep off.
VituVingiSana
#68 Posted : Monday, November 08, 2010 7:21:59 PM
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Horton wrote:
@vvs, sija sahau jes working too hard...will do it leo

Asante!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
X13united
#69 Posted : Monday, November 08, 2010 9:48:20 PM
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Its on monday,+66% profit increase was announced n unfortunately enough,no one is smilin at the sh44. Is it the hedge,the management or is it just u n me.or maybe its xmas. Whats not happening?
the deal
#70 Posted : Monday, November 08, 2010 9:59:50 PM
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X13united wrote:
Its on monday,+66% profit increase was announced n unfortunately enough,no one is smilin at the sh44. Is it the hedge,the management or is it just u n me.or maybe its xmas. Whats not happening?


There's a thing we call Demand & Supply...if Supply is higher than demand then the share wont move cos there are more sellers than buyers...on a day before the announcement somebody placed a sale order for 550K shares its that overhang that has kept us down...hopely it was cleared today...'if a business does well the share price will follow'-Warren Buffet.
X13united
#71 Posted : Monday, November 08, 2010 11:54:22 PM
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@ deal- ofcours i understand demand n supply but what beats my mathematics here is that we had good numbers in the results jus released. Ofcous good numbers call for demand which we r lackin at the moment despite that supply. The views thereof then raise my questions.
youcan'tstopusnow
#72 Posted : Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:11:57 AM
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X13, were the numbers as good as people are saying they are? I have read, here on Wazua, that some accountants are not that impressed with the figures
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
the deal
#73 Posted : Tuesday, November 09, 2010 7:00:43 AM
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I'm now praying for KQ to stay depressed like this up to December so that i buy more.
X13united
#74 Posted : Tuesday, November 09, 2010 7:24:11 AM
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the deal wrote:
I'm now praying for KQ to stay depressed like this up to December so that i buy more.


THE DEAL-show some love my friend,your prayers r definately countered by the very many passangers who would wish this jet to land asap.
X13united
#75 Posted : Tuesday, November 09, 2010 8:11:16 AM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
X13, were the numbers as good as people are saying they are? I have read, here on Wazua, that some accountants are not that impressed with the figures


@YOU.C-Albeit he/she was wrong on the hedging matter. A drop from 1.4b to 400m was definately out of order n if not then we should appeal for him/her to be hired with immediate effect. All said,lets hope for the best.
My 2 cents
#76 Posted : Tuesday, November 09, 2010 9:15:29 AM
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ProverB wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
Management have a lot to gain when a company's capitalisation is enhanced. (i.e. when the shares price in their company rises)

Ask me if it not immediately evident to you why...


you are referring to Market capitalisation..not company capitalisation..

one refers to shareholders valuation of company assets and business..the latter refers to actual fundamental valuation of the company assets and business..

Market capitalisation is more a factor of perception..by investing public..the other..has to be authenticated as true and fair by auditors.

True. I was referring to market capitalisation.
alikujia
#77 Posted : Tuesday, November 09, 2010 1:03:20 PM
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the hedge experts are winning this, for the time being. Can the experts come out clean on this and educate us more. To the ordinary layman, the forecast endyear eps of over 6 would have already seen the counter going up immediately. But something is holding. I dont believe it is a single suppler wanting out - would have been twangwaad right away.

alikujia
#78 Posted : Tuesday, November 09, 2010 1:10:17 PM
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hisah wrote:
The main risk to KQ is if oil prices manage to reclaim the $100/barrel by end of Dec 2010. If such a scenario plays out as the $ continues its weakness trend, that means more fuel costs for the 2H. Also a weak $ means losses against the Ksh, thus reducing ticket income for foreign routes.

@hisah - thought current hedges were at lower prices -that would mean advantage at least in the shortrun(endyear). Explainplease.
mwanahisa
#79 Posted : Tuesday, November 09, 2010 1:22:57 PM
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I attended the Investor Briefing and interestingly the cash flow hedges did not feature in the presentation. The fuel derivatives were a small loss and the Chairman was really happy with the fact that they had gotten a handle on these.

I am trying to establish what is the nature of the cash flow hedges to determine what is the likely position at the end of the year.

As I had predicted, operating profits were really good, so that was a positive outcome at least.
VituVingiSana
#80 Posted : Tuesday, November 09, 2010 1:31:08 PM
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mwanahisa wrote:
I attended the Investor Briefing and interestingly the cash flow hedges did not feature in the presentation. The fuel derivatives were a small loss and the Chairman was really happy with the fact that they had gotten a handle on these.

I am trying to establish what is the nature of the cash flow hedges to determine what is the likely position at the end of the year.

As I had predicted, operating profits were really good, so that was a positive outcome at least.
If KQ wanted to pay off (terminate) the hedges as of 30 Sep 2010, they would have had to pay the 'loss' as shown in the Comprehensive Income...

Of course, this 'deficit' could increase/decrease based on the Fuel prices as these Hedges come due...
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