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pkmm
#211 Posted : Sunday, November 07, 2010 5:23:16 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
@pkmm - Don't get stressed! Have fun & go with the flow!

BTW, I like both Kapchorua & Williamson... These will remain farms (no Tatu City deals for them!)


@VVS

LOL !!

Agree, Kapchorua for sure is pure tea farms albeit, very good ones(plantation,factory,railway line), efficient, well managed, ONLY if they could end slave labour, and they do have enough money to do so. I do have very strong issues with that and so did Jean-Marie Seroney who was a great friend of mine when I worked there.

Williamson has more exposure besides RV throughout- Limuru (tea farms), Mombasa (warehouses), Nairobi( hq, properties) etc...

Surburbs are bound to move out of Nairobi, and the best bet is Limuru side ...

Been accumulating both since 2006 ...

Cheers!
VituVingiSana
#212 Posted : Sunday, November 07, 2010 6:49:08 PM
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pkmm wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@pkmm - Don't get stressed! Have fun & go with the flow!

BTW, I like both Kapchorua & Williamson... These will remain farms (no Tatu City deals for them!)
Agree, Kapchorua for sure is pure tea farms albeit, very good ones(plantation,factory,railway line), efficient, well managed, ONLY if they could end slave labour, and they do have enough money to do so. I do have very strong issues with that and so did Jean-Marie Seroney who was a great friend of mine when I worked there
Hakuna slave labour... They pay very well (+ benefits like housing, etc) compared to the politicians farms in the area... Ask around & you will see that WTK is the preferred employer for the workers!

Also, I believe if you do not want to work for someone else, then quit!

The strike is NOT coz of low wages but the use of Tea-picking machines!!! In sympathy with the Tea-Pickers, will you stop using a lorry & hire (well-paid) porters?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
pkmm
#213 Posted : Sunday, November 07, 2010 8:26:34 PM
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@VVS, In an environment where "wage" employment is below 20% or thereby, there is bound to be many looking for those jobs regardless of working conditions. WT/Kapchoria are making enough money to treat workers fairly.

I would encourage you to visit those labour camps you call housing. The paliticians are taskmasters in those plantations with not only enonomic power but also political might.

Also, examine those kicked out of the labour camps at the end of their contracts. a) they work so many days/hours ... Monday to Sat, down to dusk b) zero holidays c) Zero linkages to the families where they came from that d) at the end of labour contract they have nowhere to go, becomes sqautters, ( see examples of Limuru labourers from nearby plantations, settled at the then Limuru road jucntion at a place called Misri (Egypt named after Jews enslavement in Egypt) e) they live hand to mouth and those wages are hardly enuff for food f) education for their kids, last time i was there there were makeshift schools that WT/Kapchorua demolished often after they found them on their property. ... more issues if you like...

Tu quoque (you too)is a very common logical fallacy ... that workers are treated worse off at politicians plantations therefore WT/Kapchorua must be treating workers well. Is double tragedy.

The last point is a great insight, what ails productivity in ALL sectors in Kenya is the Capital /labour ratios. I'm all for more innovative capital including at tea industries. However, such capital innovations, may be tempered with increased manufacturing, for example, instead of packaging tea in crates, package them at the consumer level plus other innovations like tea based beverages ... other products ...and so forth ...

Plantations can manage to continue to do well, treat workers well, increase manufacturing and our investments can do well. Removing these fears in part of WT/Kapchorua and others will give them confidence instead of always figuring how to cut loss and run in case of trouble...
VituVingiSana
#214 Posted : Sunday, November 07, 2010 11:18:10 PM
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@pkmm - Fine... then you should put your money where your mouth is...
[I am not condoning mistreatment of workers]

The strike has to do with the 'potential' loss of jobs by Tea-Pickers... Your argument about 'tempering' is (charitably speaking) lousy...

The same 'labour' arguments were spouted when:
- Accountants/bookkeepers/clerks started using computers instead of ledgers...
- When cars started replacing animal-drawn carriages...
- When e-mails started replacing snail mail...
- When electronic voting replaced 'manual' voting ;-) [Ask the No group]...

Why not target those that are mistreating workers first esp the politicians farms? You can do much greater good by shutting these down OR forcing them to improve...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
pkmm
#215 Posted : Sunday, November 07, 2010 11:39:53 PM
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@VVS

I think you read me wrong ... I have no issues with tea picking machinery, as I said they enhance productivity and as a general observation, there is less capital employment in Kenya, which IMHO would enhance productivity if there were a better Capital/Labour ratios.

BTW, investments are hardly morally based :) ...
VituVingiSana
#216 Posted : Sunday, November 07, 2010 11:50:40 PM
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pkmm wrote:

BTW, investments are hardly morally based :) ...
True dat! Of course, if I were a Tea-picker instead of a shareholder... I would be in the same boat!

India imports our tea, blends it, then exports it to the UK... How? Well, Tata made a decision to by Tetleys... [Other brands in UK are also owned by Indian firms]

So KTDA should look at this option!!!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
pkmm
#217 Posted : Monday, November 08, 2010 1:31:49 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=pkmm]

India imports our tea, blends it, then exports it to the UK... How? Well, Tata made a decision to by Tetleys... [Other brands in UK are also owned by Indian firms]

So KTDA should look at this option!!!


Exactly! DO NOT block technology, embrace it thereby getting more industrialized ...

I see more and more small to medium local growers taking the packaging option and doing well ...

I'm currently doing some research for small scale machinery for processing and packaging for local markets, we think this will more than doubling profitability,

Have a great week & best with your investments.
Aguytrying
#218 Posted : Monday, November 08, 2010 7:16:20 AM
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qw25041985 wrote:
@ Aguytrying. you have to know why the stock is rallyin.....and more importantly you must know why you didnt know it before hand. By the way have you changed now into a momentum trader .Asin jumpin into stocks as they move up?
@ guru. if you are to be believed you are really on lucks side.You have KAKZ and Eaagads and both are rallyin.Lucky you.Let me tell you in a million years i wld have never bought those two stocks.Reason - Liquidity.

@qw. No im not a momentum trades, but at times my research and entry into the market co-insides with upward momentum. Eg dtk. When i had just discovered its potential and decided to commit myself it started rallying, in less than a week. And i dont buy a stock that i dont understand. I have to do my own research first. Id rather miss a rally, than join one blindly. I hope you dont think i've bought kakuzi, ur post alludes to that, coz i haven't. There are so many good deals in the nse of late. Wish i had more liquid!
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
VituVingiSana
#219 Posted : Friday, November 12, 2010 5:45:57 PM
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LOL...

Union asks firms to reinstate tea workers


http://www.nation.co.ke/...-/1312ob3z/-/index.html

Nonsense! Tell them that they have been replaced by the Machines... If they complain send a Terminator to take care of them... Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Seriously, what did they expect? The machines are coming... That is the reality...

I feel sorry for the folks losing their jobs but that's the reality... We drive cars not use horses, we use electricity not charcoal, we use computers not slates...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
guru267
#220 Posted : Friday, November 12, 2010 6:26:30 PM
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@VVS one question for you.... Would you buy Kapchourua at 140???
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