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Beware of Barclay Loans
nanfor
#21 Posted : Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:10:00 AM
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@Njunge Thanks a lot.....I am trying to do serious research on financing models in Kenya and so far,I am begging my friends to keep away from banks as I just can't see any difference between them and shylocks......I remember it was the same problem with banks in the USA until community banking was allowed. In our case,its these saccos which can take up community banking......I would be very happy to hear of these saccos as to be honest their marketing is way short of expectations.....Can you tell me more of these saccos as I will be visiting them. I am more interested in saccos that allow non-employed,self employed and members from other professions.....Did you know that kenya women's trust charges over 25% for their loans....Shocking. even with donor free money they still want to fleece Kenyans....Please give me any leads to these saccos,I may be able to help even with their financing.
mwenza
#22 Posted : Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:35:00 AM
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SACCO LOANS?

Whereas sacco loans are preferable to bank loans,my only problem is that u end up paying interest on ua own money. E.g if u av saved,say 100k with ua sacco,u could borrow 300k and pay interest on the whole amount. Meanwhile the 300k is inclusive of ua own 100k. Why dont they devise a system whereby u pay interest on only 200k since the other 100k is surely ua money and the loan is guaranteed by ua guarantors?


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Njunge
#23 Posted : Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:48:00 AM
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@Mwenza,

Damn.....!!...C'moooon dear.You don't believe what you just posted.........If you had a 100K in barclays and you secured a loan of 300K,would they charge interest on the amount less your savings?


Yombo dhier....!!
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niando
#24 Posted : Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:01:00 AM
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Again,I would recommend Sacco .The interest rate on My Sacco,Mahasibu Sacco is 12% P.a.

I joined it after being recommended by Sk members.

I'm just about to destroy my barclays credit card which now has zero balance.I was forced to pay (874 ) in interest to access Kshs 7000/= despite paying all the dues before due date.

With 7000 in my sacco,I would have accesed 21,000/= and paid interest of only 210 /= in that month

This illustrates that there is a very thin line between kenyan banking and shylocking.

be wary of bank loans and to be particular,Barclay loans.
For bookkeeping and bank loan interest recalculation try us:niando.becia@gmail.com
Njunge
#25 Posted : Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:56:00 AM
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@Niando,

Does your Sacco have an advancing scheme?......i.e short term lending?.Check out their terms.Here lies the perfect weapon for those costly credit cards..........Tamu sana.


Yombo dhier....!!
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
mwenza
#26 Posted : Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:07:00 AM
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@ Njung'e.....The 100k in my BBK a/c will be accessible to me anytime so i wont pay interest on it and after i get the 300k loan i will effectively have 400k. However the 100k in my SACCO will be in form of shares therefore inaccessible to me. So the 300k sacco loan will effectively remain 300k and my shares worth 100k is part of the loan and will therefore pay interest on it......Am i communicating???

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Njunge
#27 Posted : Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:28:00 AM
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@Mwenza,

Stop there.........!!.For the 300K bank loan,there has to be a collateral of a similar or higher figure hanging on the wall of the credit manager's office. (thanks God they don't demand balls).........In a Sacco,you only require two signatures.


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extrablessed
#28 Posted : Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:32:00 AM
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@Mwenza,little knowledge is much more dangerous than no knowledge at all.

Facts:

1. The sacco deposit/saving is your money which you recover when you decide to quite the sacco. It is the amount that earns you dividend (in many saccos);

2. The deposit amount is used as security and to gauge the max amount you can borrow. Many sacco's will lend x3.

3 The interest you pay is quite predictable and no hidden 'small prints' to surprise you at a later date. A good portion of the interest you pay will come back to you in form of dividends.

These said,sacco loan is the most predictable,transparent and almost 'zero-cost borrowing' when dividends are factored in.




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kivairu
#29 Posted : Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:33:00 AM
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Hi SK...can anyone recommend a sacco where one can save money and later take loans at reasonable interest rates? i dont want to be fleeced by banks again.

Fear not says the Lord

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dijkstra
#30 Posted : Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:57:00 AM
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nice stuff; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
now,i have a 4-yr loan with stanchart and I have re-paid for 2 years already..

Can i spread the remaining balance so that it becomes a 4-yr loan,without having to top up,and with no or minimal expenses? any trick out there?

this would incur less interest per month...

then i would accelerate the payments by paying lumpsums every month.

none
nanfor
#31 Posted : Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:08:00 AM
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I love it when I see Kenyans not complaining but actually doing something about their situations. Njung'e keep up the info.

I have said before on this forum that Kenyan banks are worse than shylocks especially since people trust them. If you wish to succeed in financial matters,you had better know how much you owe and when and how much you are required to pay and when. No fine prints. Ask americans with credit cards with more fine print than the contract I was given by Barclays.

Maybe its the name sacco that scares guys into thinking it is a useless loan. A loan is a cost in business,you had better know what you are paying back otherwise you will end up working for barclays shareholders who as you can see on this forum are keeping rather quiet. I will try and publish my report on banks and their lending practises before I go back next month and upload it here.

mukiha
#32 Posted : Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:12:00 AM
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@extrablessed; You took the words out of my fingers!!!!

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mwenza
#33 Posted : Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:18:00 AM
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@ Njung'e......Thank u....u r a genius....Let me go and fill my sacco loan forms now without feeling cheated.....

@ extrablessed......If u cant spell the word quit u really must be a fool. Why r u writing so much and yet just stating the obvious without tackling the issues at hand. BTW,there is a huge,huge difference between deposits and shares when it comes to saccos...the two words are not interchangeable...bure kabisa



NEVER HONOUR A PROMISE THAT PUTS YOU AT A DISADVANTAGE!!!
IF YOU EXPECT ME TO POST ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT ASENO, YOU MAY AS WELL SIT ON A PIN
nanfor
#34 Posted : Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:27:00 AM
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mwenza,you sound like another kenyan bank that just lost a lot of business on sk.
Waria
#35 Posted : Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:42:00 AM
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Assuming i have a loan of 1m at 23% with bbk for 5 yrs. if i pay back 900k lump sum can i ask them to reschedule the 100k to the remaining time?

BTW: their formular is 180/360*23%*balance prepaid


Me first,U next
Njunge
#36 Posted : Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:54:00 AM
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@mwenza,

No need to tease Extra-Blessed over a small typo.Everyone does it once in a while and it ain't a crime and hey...... am no genius...!!.......Second,she gave you facts as they are.Besides,your loans and shares in Saccos are secured.Your savings do not attract commissions and service/maintenance fee.The minimum deal you get from your savings in case of demise is;

1.All loans written off unconditionally.

2.Your shares doubled and shared out to your beneficiaries.

In case of loss of job or business,your loan can be re-scheduled at/for your convinience....and in certain cases,a grace period of 6 months is granted.All this at no extra cost.

Current average loan interest rates is 12%,devidend payout of as high as 11% on you savings and the only money the government gets is 5% withholding tax on devinded.Loan processing fee is pitiable and insurance stands at about 1800 bob per year for all your money......this fee is payable once or on 12 instalments....huh..!....To add a little,

i do not know of a bank where i can walk in,ask for 100K unsecured short term loan,have it processed inside 30 minutes and i hit the street.Beauty is,i repay 50K plus interest at the end of the first month and if i clear the balance inside 30 days,the remaing 50K attracts no interest and .....yeees......!!.....I move to the next counter and i can ask for a further 100K.All this in the same hour.

......Now,try that with any bank ..........Did i hear you scream murder?.

@Nanfor,

For your write-up,the following rural saccos should interest you;

1.Kilifi Teachers.

2.Maua Sacco.

3.Kiambu Farmers.

4.Nyeri Teachers.

5.South Imenti Growers.

There must be many more out there especially in the big towns and i believe you will be dazzled by the number of available cheap products.





Yombo dhier....!!
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
mwenza
#37 Posted : Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:03:00 AM
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@ Njung'e......I didnt tease her for nothing,she atarted it all......read the 1st line in her post and u will see what i mean. Anyway as soon as i get the sacco loan,i will fuel your bijuti for a whole month.

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mwenza
#38 Posted : Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:06:00 AM
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@ nanfor........i would rather die fighting for my rights than live forever without any rights!

NEVER HONOUR A PROMISE THAT PUTS YOU AT A DISADVANTAGE!!!
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niando
#39 Posted : Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:24:00 AM
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Mwenza,so nanfor is right. and your right is what ? fleecing your customers as per what barclays did to me below? and you dont want other people to chanuka ? shindwe

( note: this tone is not usual for me but it arises when I'm pissed off)
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mkristo
#40 Posted : Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:11:00 PM
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@ All,

I like this post and it is quite informative. Thank you all.

Let's think a little bit outside the box,or better still without the box.

If you need a 500,000 loan from a bank and may be you can qualify for a 700K or even 1M,how about getting the 700K,use the 500K to meet your needs and buy the bank's shares with the 200K balance,(if at all the bank is doing well on the stock market),and keep trading with that amount for the period you'll be servicing the loan? Am sure you'll have made gains over and above the interest to be charged on that loan.

Ama?


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