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Beware of Barclay Loans
youngNrich
#1 Posted : Monday, July 06, 2009 11:20:00 AM
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I was reading of some peoples nasty loan experiences with Equity bank a while ago and thought i was fairly safe with my Barclays loan.
I signed a loan agreement with them like 2 ago and when i did so it did not entail an early repayment clause actually the loan officer assured me yah if u repay earlier there is no charge then they decide to do a round about last year in December and get this they dont inform me inform me the clause has been changed so now i make my early repeayment directly to my loan account only to be hit with shenanigaans of early repayment fees. what the *##! ati sijui in the fine print there is something that apprantely the bank can decide to change the terms reallly then if am at risk of early repayment clause being removed i would have gone for a fixed rate which is lower!
i thought the higher reducing rate vis a vis the loewer fixed rate is to cover the prepayment risk. nway i have learnt my leasson always read the finer print and never listen to those loan ofiicers.
But surely they should have the courtesy of informing loan holders of the change as they bombard us with there credit card offers.
Am finishing this bloody loan and moving all my accounts out of barclays

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Correct
#2 Posted : Monday, July 06, 2009 12:08:00 PM
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Thanx for sharing your experience. I also happen to have acquired a loan from them about an year ago at 20.9% reducing rate and still have another roughly 12months to go. I went there a couple of weeks ago and said I wanted to exit via an early repayment and was shocked to be told I had to repay 6months forward interest if I'd repaid for < 1YR or 3months forward interest if i'd repaid for +12months. Unfortunately 4me I even dont have the loan agreement with me coz when I applied for the loan I only filled minimal info on those forms and left only to turn up 2 months later at an ATM to be suprised by a huge balance on my a/c. This guys never even told me the money had been credited into my account. These guys are pretty poor in communicating except I'm told when in arrears when they call you B4 seven in the morning. Been trying to chase them 4 a copy of the loan agreement to no avail.

Can you please inform on what they charged you to help decide on when to walk into their halls and clear the damn balance.


youngNrich
#3 Posted : Monday, July 06, 2009 12:32:00 PM
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i was told the charge is as u have said 6 months interest,am still trying to reconcile the values. i was told the to go speak to the loan officer with my loan agreement which am yet to do. i have talked to two different employees and they told me conflicting info one says it should only be chargeable if u pay off the entire amount the other says it is charged on any repayment anyway i will go make some noise in the branch and hear what they say.
Also read the fine print on the top up loans they call to take up,reading on the finer print they chrage u negotiation fee on get this the top up plus the amount u are still owing so if u have 100k balance and add 200k they charge u negaotion on 300k instead of 200k like which maths is that u would rather just take up a new loan its cheaper yet they entice u with a top up saying u have been a good loan servicer so why charge u moree makes no sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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kogum
#4 Posted : Monday, July 06, 2009 12:42:00 PM
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happenned to me too. was actually topping up with equity and clearing with barclays.Was slapped on a charge for early payment.Could sence malice
youngNrich
#5 Posted : Monday, July 06, 2009 12:47:00 PM
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@ kogum what is the rate for the equity loan u have taken oh n term as some banks charge different rates dependent on the term of the loan

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kogum
#6 Posted : Monday, July 06, 2009 12:58:00 PM
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@youngnrich

The loan was thru my place of work and the rates are slightly below market rates.Equity @14% and barclays 14.5%.I opted out of barclays coz equity were more generous only to be charged and get a cold shoulder.Yet when i wanted the loan they were best of friends.
niando
#7 Posted : Monday, July 06, 2009 1:00:00 PM
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Barclays displays alot of greed when dealing with their customers.

Their customer service staff unknowledgeable and arrogant with a utado? attitude.

Their barclay card(credit) is the most expensive and useless among kenyan banks(by the way the old terms and conditions were among the best but they silently changed them after the global financial crisis .Other banks have not) .

Thank God I was able to come out of it after paying all types of unrealistic charges.

I can't touch their card once again neither can I touch their loans with a 100ft pole.

Better a Sacco Loan 100 times.

Last time I was there some staff was cajoling me to fill the Hello money thing.I does anyone know if there will be some hidden charges after July 31 2009?
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Kasheshi
#8 Posted : Monday, July 06, 2009 1:19:00 PM
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So which is the best bank to get a loan from?

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mukiha
#9 Posted : Monday, July 06, 2009 1:27:00 PM
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I think many people still don't understand the concept of a loan...they still talk about banks 'giving' loans,hence the frustrations all over.

A few common sense tips:

First; never ever take a loan because the process is simplified! You only take loans to meet real needs...not for consumption!! Why take a loan to buy a personal car while you can save the money in half the time it will take you to repay the loan?

Second; never ever sign a contract that you have not read and understood. I am sure you will find clauses that talk about changes to the terms and how they will be communicated to you (if at all). There is no hurry in taking a bank loan...a few days to read the contract will not make that much difference!

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nanfor
#10 Posted : Monday, July 06, 2009 1:44:00 PM
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Great @Mukiha....I went shopping around and I can categorically say that Kenyan banks are no better than shylocks!......Be very careful of what you sign and you know that those tellers are the least educated in my class,so how could they possibly know the difference between APR,ARM,fees,no penalty clauses etc.......Take the contract they give you back home and read it......In fact,the moment you get those loan contracts,go shopping with them. You are now in a position of power as another teller tries to close a deal.....As for barclays,the only thing I like about them is that blue eagle in their logo...It makes me wanna fly away from them.
niando
#11 Posted : Monday, July 06, 2009 1:48:00 PM
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Good tips mukiha.But to be honest the barclays customer staff are just too arrogant.Their advice to customers hit below the belt.Some practices there are almost a fraud to customers.I wish I could name the branch and employee I am so pissed off with.But for the sake of the employees kids,I won't.
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Gordon Gekko
#12 Posted : Monday, July 06, 2009 2:00:00 PM
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Sounds to me that Barclays is a good stock to invest in....
Cicero
#13 Posted : Monday, July 06, 2009 2:03:00 PM
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You hit the nail on the head on this one. I took a Barclays loan too last year at which time Barclays said that i'd pay a 3 month interest on the principle balance if i paid after 12 months. Along the way,they threw out that clause and declared instead that everyone would pay a 6 month's interest on the principle balance as an early payment penalty (even though i took my loan when this was not applicable).

Way forward: Simply see another bank e.g. Standard Chartered who'll buy out your loan from Barclays without any fees and since it's bank to bank,without the 6 month interest rule being applied. SC has a 5% penalty early payment clause which if you consider their lower monthly payments on personal loans will end up saving you a bunch of money.

I DONT WORK FOR A BANK SO PLEASE CONFIRM THE ISSUES!

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Njunge
#14 Posted : Monday, July 06, 2009 2:10:00 PM
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I remember this clause on Barclay loans way back in 1996..It's usually hidden in the fine print.........and in fine print they usually do not mean the 'details'.....It's the print,at the back of the loan forms with the smallest fonts possible and legal jargon.Attempt to read at least two lines of the 'fine print'attracts tears,confusion or both..........If you are not in a hurry,get an opinion from a lawyer before penning the agreement.Of course at a fee.....My best option,as someone has put it is a Sacco loan.Currently,the highest interest payable is 15% with the repaying period being spread upto 60 months.With the advent of front office services (FOSA) in quite a number of Saccos,you don't need be employed.


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nanfor
#15 Posted : Monday, July 06, 2009 2:32:00 PM
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@Njunge....Great info. My question is,which are these saccos that offer to the self employed in Kenya....I would really love to know
Waria
#16 Posted : Monday, July 06, 2009 2:34:00 PM
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Me first,U next
adept
#17 Posted : Monday, July 06, 2009 3:10:00 PM
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@Waria - Enough Said. My point exactly.
Musso
#18 Posted : Monday, July 06, 2009 11:54:00 PM
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@youngNrich,read your contract again. There should be a clause,charges applicable,if you pay off before 3 or 4 years. This is the period the banks make the most cash.

So get them by paying as much as you can and leave balance of almost nothing. Have your repayment recalculated and spread out over the period of 3 or 4 yrs. After the period of 3 or 4 years clear the balance.

The idea is the bank will only earn a small interest from your balance,which in turn saves you abit of money.

But the above is only applicable,if Barclays cares. The clause should be there.( Banking Ethics).






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Sasha
#19 Posted : Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:29:00 AM
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Go to CBA! No penalty for early repayments. Loan approval process takes about 4 days, their customer care reps are very professional and will insist that you read the contract before signing it. They will also buy out any loan you have with another bank without much fuss!

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Njunge
#20 Posted : Tuesday, July 07, 2009 6:56:00 AM
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@Nanfor,

There are quite a number and it also depends on where you are since few of this have branches countrywide........I must add here that quite a number offer microfinancing to groups or individuals who are in self employment......i have been to a few and i think so far my most admired model remains Kilifi Teachers.............Fantastic group.


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