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Beware of Barclay Loans
Chaka
#91 Posted : Friday, July 10, 2009 9:29:00 AM
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@mozenrat,

Since SACCOs are reaping more from interest payments than the banks(as you have proved )why don't the banks all convert to SACCOS after which they will be laughing more.........
Shak
#92 Posted : Friday, July 10, 2009 9:32:00 AM
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Pardon me coz I'm not a banking expert but from my experience,Saccos charge interest on reducing balance. I believe banks charge interest on the principal. I still see the Sacco loan taking the day anyway. @ mozenrat,since you are the expert on interest calcualtions you can correct me if i'm wrong coz i've never taken a bank loan



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mozenrat
#93 Posted : Friday, July 10, 2009 9:33:00 AM
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@Njung'e..

this is precisely why I had insisted that we limit the scope of this discourse to Interest charged...

Otherwise,once you introduce these other figures,then I can as well argue that while your 100k was stuck in the sacco in the year before taking out the loan... I was using mine to trade and made more than just 8%...

In addition,if the Sacco guy has 4,500 a month to save (54,000 a year) so does the bank guy... Which he could also be trading at or at more than 8% a year..

In the third year,the Sacco guy is saving 4,500 a month to obtain returns of only 8% while he bank guy now has 14,500 a month to trade...

Bank loan qualification is 3 months while for most Saccos I know,its 6 months. In the 3 month differential,how much do you think the bank guy could have made with the 300k.

I'm telling you,in real life where people use money to make more money,the difference between taking out a Sacco loan and a Bank loan is negligible...

@shak,

You're neither wrong nor right....

It depends on the specific contract...

Most unsecured bank loans are charged interest on reducing balance...

But I've heard that Equity Bank offers Asset Finance on straight line basis
mwenza
#94 Posted : Friday, July 10, 2009 9:36:00 AM
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@ Sasha

In comparative analysis,you define the variables and keep everything else constant.......surely are you not giving the sacco dude an advantage by giving him extra cash to continue making his monthly contributions while denying the bank dude access to the same source of extra cash? of course we are privy to the sacco requirements thats why the sacco man might throw in the towel early.


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Shak
#95 Posted : Friday, July 10, 2009 9:47:00 AM
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@ Mwenza,I was just thinking,have you ever heard of a person who was rendered bankrupt after taking a SACCO loan? There are enough cases of bankruptcy by those who have taken bank loans. Go through the posts and study the numerous benefits that accrue to a SACCO member. Your interest calculations do work in theory but when it comes to the real deal,given a choice,99% of Kenyans will take a SACCO loan any day. Ask yourself why. Do a more broadbased study that does not just cover interest charges.

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mwenza
#96 Posted : Friday, July 10, 2009 9:59:00 AM
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@ Shak

Thank u for being sober in your reasoning. May be you need to go back to my very first post which generated this argument.........It was purely based on interest charges. Thats why my friend Mozenrat and i have restricted ourselves to that issue only. Meanwhile the advantages of saccos are universally acknowledged and nobody is disputing that. However there is need to demystify the notion that sacco loans are like freebies taken at no cost. Ultimately you are better off not taking any loan( from whichever source) if you can manage.


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Shak
#97 Posted : Friday, July 10, 2009 10:04:00 AM
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@ mwenza,i acknowledge your post and have taken this excerpt from a previous posting you made:

'@ Mozenrat.......Am happy at least one person can see my argument. My argument was really not about the pros and cons of saccos......for the record av been a member of a reputable one since 1992.... but rather in every situation,there is always room for improvement. Granted,SACCOS are not in any way comparable to banks when it comes to borrowing from them but that does not mean they cant be enhanced to be more attractive to members......'


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mwenza
#98 Posted : Friday, July 10, 2009 10:12:00 AM
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@ Shak

Thats a fantastic job by you. Hope in the process u also saw what somebody stated to the effect that 'little knowledge is.........' in one of the replies.


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novestor
#99 Posted : Friday, July 10, 2009 10:21:00 AM
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Mozenrat,you are quite a smart chap with some nice arguments,but you overlook a lot of facts with your discourse.
1. Loan eligibility in saccos is membership through payment (even 100 bob) for six months. Assume therefore novestor saves KES 600/- over six months at sacco and puts the KES 99,400/- somewhere (or under mattres),or trades with it as you say,OK.
2. Novestor Takes the 99,400/- from under mattress,takes to sacco,and applies for three times the amount (300K).
Where does this leave your analysis?

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mozenrat
#100 Posted : Friday, July 10, 2009 10:30:00 AM
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@Novestor...

I can see you're trying to draw me out...

I've already stated that our discourse was limited to interest charged....

... and that I only went into that long analysis in response to Tito44...

...Otherwise those benefits that Njung'e and yourself are raising were acknowledged by myself nearly 50 posts ago...

Believe me,I have used the trick you've described once to obtain cash from a Sacco...

The rules at my Sacco are that you would earn interest on the 600 bob.... If you used the trick you've described... we would be at the same place we were at before Njung'e raised the issue.... with the bank winning
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