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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/10/2007 Posts: 1,587
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Gatheuzi wrote:@ vvs,
You are very right about the high staff turnover in the new outfit. I interact with them both as a customer and through my employer. As far as Iam concerned at a personal level, I will keep them. However from my employer perspective, we have lost track of the different account relationship managers we keep being assigned to after the previous ones left.
And like you can guess the relationship is no longer as cusomized as it used to be with the good old CFC.
What really went wrong? Too much South African influence? How is the performance of Kitili after moving from Uganda?
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/26/2006 Posts: 410 Location: CENTRAL PROVINCE
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The entry into Diamond Trust Bank after exiting KCB seems to have been a timely move.Within one week of purchase, the share has appreciated close to 10%.
At market close, Diamond Trust Bank is trading at an average price of Ksh 132 with bids as high as Ksh 135 finding no takers. The demand is 35 times the supply with the supply quickly drying out.
The DTBK share still has alot of upside potential compared to other financial sector stocks. It is currently trading at a trailing P/E of 16. Assuming a conservative growth rate of 60% for the year, this translates to a PEG of 0.26. Compare this with Co-op bank with a similar growth rate of about 60% and a trailing P/E of almost 24 at end of trading today.They both have a similar dividend yield of around 1%.
I believe DTBK should be trading at a similar P/E to Co-op bank of 24, thus a price of Ksh 184 becomes the target price (which should approach Ksh 200 if the Q3 results have an EPS growth of more than 70%).
The Q3 Results will thus be eagerly awaited to give direction as to how far North this share should move.
Happy hunting
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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You know I can't sing enough praises about @stocksmaster [coz of the Real Portfolio]... @Gatheuzi has done very well in the Fantasey market too... Outpacing me by 100,000/-... Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/16/2009 Posts: 994
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@ vvs I own DTB in real life as well and so there is real money flowing somewhere too.Fantasey mrkt portlays a mirror of my real holdings. Time is money, so money is time. Money saved is time gained in reverse! Money stores your life’s energy. You expend your energy, get paid money, and store that money for a future purchase made in a currency.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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Gatheuzi wrote:@ vvs I own DTB in real life as well and so there is real money flowing somewhere too.Fantasey mrkt portlays a mirror of my real holdings. Awesome... I have to say I have lagged [in the short-term ] on the Real + Fantasey markets... but I stick with my choices coz I prefer the longer-term [3 years = 100%]. I remain confident that I will end up with 100% on KK & Unga lakini on KQ I wanna see 1H 2010-11 Results... Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:Gatheuzi wrote:@ vvs I own DTB in real life as well and so there is real money flowing somewhere too.Fantasey mrkt portlays a mirror of my real holdings. Awesome... I have to say I have lagged [in the short-term ] on the Real + Fantasey markets... but I stick with my choices coz I prefer the longer-term [3 years = 100%]. I remain confident that I will end up with 100% on KK & Unga lakini on KQ I wanna see 1H 2010-11 Results... I smell 600 on the fm. At the bottom of the pyramid people have been screwed by safcom and mumias, other chaps bought good stocks but their gains have been wiped out by commissions. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/26/2006 Posts: 410 Location: CENTRAL PROVINCE
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stocksmaster wrote:
RATIONALE OF ACTIVITY 13:
My average buying price of KCB net of transaction cost was Ksh 19.44. At the Ksh 22.75 - 23.00 range, this represented a net gain of 15.5% within 17 Days of purchase.
Although my initial target was an exit price of Ksh 26 or March 2011 (6 months horizon), 50% of my target in KCB was achieved within half a month. That to me means a need to reevaluate wether going forward, another counter exists that can give me a superior return on investment.
KCB still remains an attractive investment even at current prices but as it approaches a P/E of 15, it begins to assume a fair price.A large number of those who purchased the share at Rights (Ksh 17) will have a strong urge to lock in some gains at current prices which will slow down the forward momentum.I expect some profit taking as early as tomorrow(Friday 08/10/2010.
I anticipate KCB will announce about 28-30% rise in Q3 2010 in Net profits which should support the share at current prices upto December 2010. The share should test the Ksh 26-27 range prior to End of year results in February 2011 and the Ksh 30 levels at around April 2010.
As the funds clear within the next four days, I intend to scan the NSE seeking for bargains.
As for the SCBK shares, the Q3 results are eagerly awaited before an investment decision is arrived at.
Happy hunting. Seems my estimate of KCB Q3 Results of 28-30% was spot on. As highligted above, the results should support the current prices of KCB of Ksh 22.5 - 23. For DTBK, I anticipate a Q3 rise of 105% which should support a trailing P/E of 24 (forward P/E of about 11.75) and hence a price target of Ksh 184. Happy hunting
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,011 Location: nairobi
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@stocksmaster i think 105% is too high, the Q1 will drag it down to about 70%-80%. Just my thoughts, but its more juicy if it becomes 105%
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/26/2006 Posts: 410 Location: CENTRAL PROVINCE
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@ Bartum: I had posted this at another thread concerning the possible scenarios.
The case for DTB:
Scenario 1: For the period July to September 2010, DTB makes Ksh 0 net profit. The EPS thus remain same as Half year at Ksh 7.12. For 2009, Q3 was Ksh 4.96. Thus even without any profit growth DTB announces a Q3 rise in earning per share of 43.5%. With this scenario, the share should trade at about Ksh 140 after Q3 results (Trailing P/E 18).This must be the worst case scenario.
Scenario 2:DTB grows at the same rate as Q1 of 2010. This means that for the period July to September 2010, it makes Ksh 2 per share thus as at Q3 it will announce: Ksh 7.12+ Ksh 2= Ksh 9.12. Therefore for Q3, the EPS growth becomes 83.9%.With this scenario, the share should trade at about Ksh 160 after Q3 results (Trailing P/E 21)
Scenario 3: DTB grows at the same rate as Q2 of 2010. This means that for the period July to September 2010, it makes Ksh 5.12 per share thus as at Q3 it will announce: Ksh 7.12+ Ksh 5.12= Ksh 12.24. Therefore for Q3, the EPS growth becomes 146.8%.With this scenario, the share should trade at about Ksh 190-200 after Q3 results (Trailing P/E 25-26). This must be the best case scenario.
Happy hunting.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,183 Location: nairobi
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New 2010 high?..4,678.10 "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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stocksmaster wrote:ACTIVITY 10: PURCHASE OF 1900 STANCHART AT KSH 270
DATE OF ACTIVITY:11TH AUGUST 2010
COST OF ACTIVITY 10:KSH 270 X 1900 SHARES= KSH 513,000
ADD 2% TRANSACTION COSTS = KSH 10,200
TOTAL COST OF ACTIVITY 10 = KSH 523,200
CASH IN HAND AFTER ACTIVITY 9 = KSH 986,090 SHARES UNSOLD AFTER ACTIVITY 9 = 100 STANCHART
CURRENT PORTFOLIO POSITION: CASH IN HAND AFTER ACTIVITY 10 = KSH 462,890 SHARES IN HAND AFTER ACTIVITY 10 = 1900 + 100 =2000 STANCHART SHARES
RATIONALE OF PURCHASE
After exiting the counter about five days ago, the share has experienced a substancial price decline. I still hold the opinion that the share at least should be trading at the Ksh 320 range post half year results/pre rights issue. Even with the temporary price correction, i expect the share to return to the Ksh 300 range once the details of the rights are released, especially if the rights are priced at below Ksh 200.
In January 2010, Stanchart announced the intention to sell their head office building. This transaction should be completed within the financial year 2010. I have a feeling that a bonus issue is in the offing with the end of year announcements next year in February/March because of the following:
1. The sale of building will raise at least Ksh 1B (any property valuer out there?), which would be almost enough to issue a 1:1 bonus (with 300M issued shares at a par value of Ksh 5, this would need Ksh 1.5B). 2. The bank will be celebrating 100 years doing business in Kenya next year January 2011. How else to mark such an occassion than to reward the shareholders with a bonus? 3. At the current trading range of Ksh 270-300, the share is becoming unaffordable in unit terms (To buy 100 shares one needs at least Ksh 27,000). Either a share split or a bonus issue is needed. A 1:1 bonus would effectively reduce the price to about Ksh 140-160 range. 4. When is the last time SCBK issued a bonus?
NB: The re-purchase of 1900 SCBK shares has been effected using mostly the profits collected to date. This is a highly speculative move especially with the share on a decline, but I am of the opinion that the share is worth it especially with all the expected activity on the share in the next six months.This is my investment horizon incase the market correction was to persist (which i doubt will last for more than two weeks).
To any person intending to start a 'copy cat' portfolio, It may be prudent to wait for a few more days before purchasing the SCBK share. This would ensure the share has stopped its decline(purchasing now may result in a temporary loss of value)
Happy hunting SCBK dropped to 250 12 days after this purchase. It has been on a recovery path the last one month, albeit, erratic; eg. up7% yesterday, down 3% today currently at 270 - your initial purchase price. Perhaps you could dump it and pour the cash into DTK... Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/26/2006 Posts: 410 Location: CENTRAL PROVINCE
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@ Muhika:
I actually contemplated the action yesterday when healthy volumes of SCBK were trading but decided against it. I hold the opinion that SCBK still has some room for upward share price movement especially if an interim dividend is announced with the Q3 Results.Also with my initial target of 50% return on investment well and trully surpassed (As at todays stock prices for SCBK and DTBK, I am at a net of 115% return on investment for the year), I intend to reduce the trading activity especially when i still forsee resonable room for growth in a counter.
As for DTBK, it still remains in my opinion the best buy in the NSE market even at todays price. The worst this bank can do is post a y-o-y growth equivalent to Equity Bank (50%) in the Q3 Results. I expect a price of Ksh 170-180 once the Q3 Results are announced and a sustained scramble for this share begins.I remain extremely bullish on this share as this is the one share that can do a 50% return on investment (price target of Ksh 200)within the next 6 months.
At a current P/E of 17.6 and what i estimate as a growth for 2010 at between 75-95%, then this share can only rise.
Happy hunting
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/26/2006 Posts: 410 Location: CENTRAL PROVINCE
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Seems SCBK have released the Q3 Results about 20 minutes ago. Any person with the figures?
Happy hunting.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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PAT 3.87bn (3Q 2009) vs 4.3bn (3Q 2010) The whole 2009 = 4.73bn Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 3/24/2010 Posts: 6,779 Location: Black Africa
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Rank: Chief Joined: 3/24/2010 Posts: 6,779 Location: Black Africa
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The ultra fast growth is starting to taper off as yields on government securities decline. GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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@Stocksmaster; Are you still sure it's a good hold, this SCBK? Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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@Stocksmaster; Are you still sure it's a good hold, this SCBK? Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/26/2006 Posts: 410 Location: CENTRAL PROVINCE
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@ Muhika:
The results are satisfactory enough to entice me to continue holding the share. The interim dividend of Ksh 5 would indicate a total dividend for 2010 of Ksh 15. The Q3 Results also indicate an EPS of about Ksh 20.50 for 2010. Thus at todays price of Ksh 261, the forward P/E is about 12.7.
The good dividend yield for this stock coupled with the modest growth and 'blue chip' status of the stock makes it perfect as a dividend stock.
A 6% dividend yield payable within the next 6 months is almost what the government is paying in the money market for 12 months.
I intend to hold onto the stock unless an enticing exit opportunity presents itself. This is the beauty of speculating with blue chips. Rarely do you loose.
Happy hunting.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/2/2010 Posts: 1,069
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Stocksmaster, SCBK have NOT paid out 18/= in dividend in 2010. They have paid out 12/=
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