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Kplc restructure plan out
Wiztec
#61 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 11:14:42 AM
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I pray it goes to 200 bob so i can get afew more shares before the rights, by the way i need some small advise on kplc i currently have paltry 1000 shares which is about 1 yr old now i bought at 180 per share sometimes october last last yr. Now i have intention to increase the shares by about 800,000 (New shares) and also further get the rights at about 400,000 so im hoping to inject about 1.2M on the shares.

1) I have 1m cash but i intend to sell of kcb (i bought kcb at 26 same time last year and they have been performing with snail speed now still at a loss, do you think its prudent to sell off my 12000 kcb shares at aloss and pump up onto to kplc? kcb have been moving upwards lately and am a little confused if i really wantt to get rid of it. which one do you think will make me profits first stay with kcb or change them to kplc?

2) I have been doing maths on either buying kplc shares and waite for rights issue, with options on 1) buy before books close on 8th sept and get 5 bob dividend and get the rights as well, or 2) waite for the price to drop further im hoping the price will continue going south as the rights date come closer ( Im praying hard for that any probabilty calculated will be appreciated) and buy low priced shares and forfeit dividends, mathematically which one do you think would give more profits?

3) Is it more profitable to buy rights? at the stock market rather than buy shares and pay for 40% allocated rights? thanks
VituVingiSana
#62 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 11:34:22 AM
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Electricity sales keep on rising. Even if the cost of power rises...

http://www.businessdaily...8/-/sfeoeg/-/index.html

Peak Demand is 100MW higher than last year.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
guru267
#63 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 12:49:55 PM
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On the way down KPLC has been trading serious volumes with locals as net sellers and foreigners as net buyers...

When I see this kind of scenario my faith in a company is increased because in terms of entry and exits Local investors have got it all wrong whereas foreigners have got it all right...
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
VituVingiSana
#64 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 1:26:51 PM
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guru267 wrote:
On the way down KPLC has been trading serious volumes with locals as net sellers and foreigners as net buyers...

When I see this kind of scenario my faith in a company is increased because in terms of entry and exits Local investors have got it all wrong whereas foreigners have got it all right...
Foreigners are itching to get in... There may be no need for an Underwriting but that will 'boost' confidence in the shares...

GoK would have been smarter to exercise the Rights then sell them off as an Offer For Sale in 2 years!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
My 2 cents
#65 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 1:39:07 PM
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I sold my entire Kenya-Re position to get into KPLC. Alas, ever since KPLC has been dropping and Kenya-Re rising....

I however do not regret getting out of Kenya-Re. That is a dodo stock if ever there was one.
guru267
#66 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 4:12:53 PM
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My 2 cents wrote:
I sold my entire Kenya-Re position to get into KPLC. Alas, ever since KPLC has been dropping and Kenya-Re rising....


Good move but i'm still waiting for a lower price unless 220 forms a support level
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Deuteronomy 4:16
KIRTI
#67 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 4:39:46 PM
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Do'nt buy KPLC @ 220 or lower price. I suggest to buy right from the market.
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#68 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 4:48:36 PM
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what is to happen between today adnd wednesday next week?
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guru267
#69 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 4:54:34 PM
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KIRTI wrote:
Do'nt buy KPLC @ 220 or lower price. I suggest to buy right from the market.


@KIRTI what if the rights are traded issued at 149 are traded on the market at 60bob premium??? then it really makes no difference
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My 2 cents
#70 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 5:06:48 PM
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rights will be issued at 18/= per share (post split) or 144/= pre split. I have my doubts whether the current price will drop below 220/=, but we wait to see.
guru267
#71 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 5:19:27 PM
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My 2 cents wrote:
rights will be issued at 18/= per share (post split) or 144/= pre split. I have my doubts whether the current price will drop below 220/=, but we wait to see.


@my2cents the rights will be issued at 18.5 (post split) or 149 to cater for the rights issue costs
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
My 2 cents
#72 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 5:36:23 PM
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Damn. I have to come up with more money.
KIRTI
#73 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 5:43:10 PM
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KPLC price are gone down from 250 to 220. Even we do'nt know furher reduction up to what level. If you buy at current price, then it might further go down. Also you are paying commission on 220 @ 2% = 4.40 bob. I suggest to buy right from market. During that time price will be setteled. You will not regret about price reduction. Also you will pay commission only on premium of right.
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#74 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 6:24:27 PM
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KIRTI wrote:
KPLC price are gone down from 250 to 220. Even we do'nt know furher reduction up to what level. If you buy at current price, then it might further go down. Also you are paying commission on 220 @ 2% = 4.40 bob. I suggest to buy right from market. During that time price will be setteled. You will not regret about price reduction. Also you will pay commission only on premium of right.

I wonder what makes you soo confident you will get the rights in the market.
The Government rights are is it were, "sold out" and there is nothing left for you and i.
But you can try bid on the 1st day they start trading and hope you get some, thou you will have to pay an arm and a leg for that, if you are lucky to get any!
@SufficientlyP
Sober
#75 Posted : Tuesday, November 02, 2010 9:23:10 AM
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
KIRTI wrote:
KPLC price are gone down from 250 to 220. Even we do'nt know furher reduction up to what level. If you buy at current price, then it might further go down. Also you are paying commission on 220 @ 2% = 4.40 bob. I suggest to buy right from market. During that time price will be setteled. You will not regret about price reduction. Also you will pay commission only on premium of right.

I wonder what makes you soo confident you will get the rights in the market.
The Government rights are is it were, "sold out" and there is nothing left for you and i.
But you can try bid on the 1st day they start trading and hope you get some, thou you will have to pay an arm and a leg for that, if you are lucky to get any!



is that supposed to mean that the rights will be a hot cake untill there will be none available for trading at the market? this would mean that the price will be higher for the normal shares.
African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#76 Posted : Tuesday, November 02, 2010 1:06:42 PM
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Sober wrote:
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
KIRTI wrote:
KPLC price are gone down from 250 to 220. Even we do'nt know furher reduction up to what level. If you buy at current price, then it might further go down. Also you are paying commission on 220 @ 2% = 4.40 bob. I suggest to buy right from market. During that time price will be setteled. You will not regret about price reduction. Also you will pay commission only on premium of right.

I wonder what makes you soo confident you will get the rights in the market.
The Government rights are is it were, "sold out" and there is nothing left for you and i.
But you can try bid on the 1st day they start trading and hope you get some, thou you will have to pay an arm and a leg for that, if you are lucky to get any!



is that supposed to mean that the rights will be a hot cake untill there will be none available for trading at the market? this would mean that the price will be higher for the normal shares.

With the high level of interest current being shown by the Institutional investors, i.e Banks, Pension Funds, Insurance cos and foreign investors, getting rights on the market will be a tall order.
As it is right now, the stock seems to have hit its low at 223,224 levels. What waits to be seen is how the stock trades after the div closure date on 8th.
Will it slide further? Still an open question!
@SufficientlyP
VituVingiSana
#77 Posted : Tuesday, November 02, 2010 2:36:06 PM
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Back to 225/- but only 16,000 traded... Tough to say if there is hidden demand at lower prices since not everyone puts the bids on the Board
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#78 Posted : Tuesday, November 02, 2010 3:27:01 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Back to 225/- but only 16,000 traded... Tough to say if there is hidden demand at lower prices since not everyone puts the bids on the Board

@VVS what i know is that there was some 2M supply off board by a fund Manager who managed to sell from 238 and their last lot went last Friday at KES 225! Since then, the downward movement has been sort of slow!
@SufficientlyP
VituVingiSana
#79 Posted : Tuesday, November 02, 2010 3:48:46 PM
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Back to 225/- but only 16,000 traded... Tough to say if there is hidden demand at lower prices since not everyone puts the bids on the Board

@VVS what i know is that there was some 2M supply off board by a fund Manager who managed to sell from 238 and their last lot went last Friday at KES 225! Since then, the downward movement has been sort of slow!

Wow... 2mn shares! Nani huyu?

I am surprised coz I was under the impression that the take-up would be by these Fund Managers! I might reconsider my position...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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#80 Posted : Tuesday, November 02, 2010 5:47:52 PM
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
As it is right now, the stock seems to have hit its low at 223,224 levels. What waits to be seen is how the stock trades after the div closure date on 8th.
Will it slide further? Still an open question!


Dividend book closed (was it) 21st Oct. 8th Nov is book closure for the rights issue if I'm not wrong. So what you're experiencing now is as real as it gets unless of course the price drops slightly within the issue window, and I see that happening.

BBI will solve it
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