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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2008 Posts: 1,438
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I am actually revising my expectations downwards after seeing the operational statistics for the 2nd Qtr.
KQ generates roughly 50% of its operating profits from Africa yet PLF on intra-African routes have remained constant. So we can't expect much growth in profits on that front i.e. the Africa sector, barring changes in other variables.
In addition even though cargo contributes less than 10% of revenue, the contribution of freight, mail and others to operating profits has been just shy of 50% in recent years. The Operating stats show that during the first half of the year, this has only grown by 2.1%. So unless they have been able to grow the yields on cargo, I am also tempering my expectations on account of this.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,224 Location: Nairobi
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mwanahisa wrote:In addition even though cargo contributes less than 10% of revenue, the contribution of freight, mail and others to operating profits has been just shy of 50% in recent years. Where did you get this info? Please post this info... Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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@Mwanahisa lemme take you to school...if an airline with 100 seats flies a distance of 1000 km the ASK are 10000 if 60 passengers,km travelled is 60000 therefore PLF is 0.6 so PLF has nothing to with revenue but utilisation of capacity.
RPK is calculated by multiplying the total no of revenue paying passengers aboard a plane by the distance travelled measured in Km...its actually the measure of sales volume of passenger traffic...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2008 Posts: 1,438
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the deal wrote:@Mwanahisa lemme take you to school...if an airline with 100 seats flies a distance of 1000 km the ASK are 10000 if 60 passengers,km travelled is 60000 therefore PLF is 0.6 so PLF has nothing to with revenue but utilisation of capacity. @the deal, I am not sure who of us needs to go to school. You are stating the obvious in terms of capacity utilisation. I am actually not too concerned about the revenue and nowhere have I stated that in my post above. My main issue is with regard to operating profits. If KQ flies planes carrying only 60.5% of the passenger capacity, that translates to lower operating profits, as opposed to, if it were, say 70%. The main way to offset this would be by charging higher fares per passenger/Kg ferried. Another might be if the USD has appreciated significantly against the Kshs hence fares increasing in Shilling terms. Has KQ increased the average fares on African routes over the last 6 months relative to 2009-10? If so, then of course operating profits from that sector could be higher, than last year. Note that in my post, I indicated that I was just lowering my expectations. I did not say that I expect lower profits. I know that they will be great relative to H1 2009-10, which were abysmal.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2008 Posts: 1,438
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VituVingiSana wrote:mwanahisa wrote:In addition even though cargo contributes less than 10% of revenue, the contribution of freight, mail and others to operating profits has been just shy of 50% in recent years. Where did you get this info? Please post this info... Note 3 (Segmental Information) to KQ's 2009-10 Annual Report and Accounts.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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@Mwanahisa KQ earns in US$'s on all its routes excluding EAC...the Ksh has depreciated marginally against the US$ but the Forex gains are offset by US$ dominated loans...RPK's are a key here because their the sales and thats KQ's core business.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2008 Posts: 1,438
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RPKs are important but the corelation between RPKs and Operating Profits is not exactly linear. Higher RPKs with lower PLFs could still result in operating losses.
Generally the more passengers flown and the longer the distances they fly results in higher revenues and higher operating profits. That is, if operating costs are kept constant or rise lower than proportionate to the increase in revenue.
Kindly note my emphasis on operating profits which do not take into account Finance costs/income, gains/losses on fuel derivatives etc.
By the way, I am hoping that the average fares paid on the African routes actually went up in H1 2010-11 due to the World Cup as well as the ongoing recovery from the 2008-09 Global Financial Crisis.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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Yes the fares to Joburg during the world cup where at a premium i mean double the normal prices...if it's operating profit that one will double...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2008 Posts: 1,438
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the deal wrote:Yes the fares to Joburg during the world cup where at a premium i mean double the normal prices...if it's operating profit that one will double... @the deal, I will actually be deeply dissapointed if H1 2010-11 operating profits ONLY double from those of last year's H1. In an earlier post, I indicated that I expect them to rise more than 10 fold for the first half in comparison to last year. I gave my rationale in that post.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 10/31/2010 Posts: 11 Location: nairobi
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I am a newbie in the forum but i hope my2 cents will count for somethin, with regard to revenue contribution we might want to also consider how much of kqs revenue comes from premium long haul traffic since there has generally been a revamp in this stream from the recovery out of the global recession, if the contribution is significantly large then an increase in op profits with no accompanying increase in pax numbers will be explained.In as far as the surge of revenues from the world cup is concerned i have my doubts if the market will reward kq in terms of value since this might be compensated by those rushing out of their positions as happens at such points in the cycle .....plz dont crucify me am a total newb. "Individuals who cannot master their emotions are ill-suited to profit from the investment process." Benjamin Graham
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,224 Location: Nairobi
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@mwanahisa - If the profits 10x last year... I will be very, very happy! Yes, low PLFs are not a good thing but KQ increased capacity 12% into Africa thus the PLFs remained the same even with increased passengers. Flying to Africa is already expensive. I can fly NBO-LHR cheaper than NBO-Lusaka or Accra! The taxes are crazy. Accra has $80 passenger tax. Flying NBO-DSM is the same! The taxes are higher than the fare! As Africa gets out of the 'crisis' caused by the Global meltdown in 2009, I expect the PLFs to improve in Africa. Add KQ's new flights to Middle East & Europe which make NBO a desirable hub coz of KQ. Bottomline: KQ should expect better passenger numbers as long as it expands its destinations + alliances (codeshares). It is a pity KQ does not service the USA market coz #3 source of tourists to Kenya Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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Sky roof investor expectations from this stock makes me think on 5 Nov KQ will sink below 40 bob if the results dissapoint...
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,224 Location: Nairobi
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DUBAI (Zawya Dow Jones)--Emirates AirlineEmirates AirlineLoading..., the Middle East's largest carrier, Monday reported a more than four-fold increase in first-half net profit as it invested in new aircraft and carried more cargo and passengers. Profit for the period rose to 3.4 billion U.A.E. dirhams ($926 million), from AED752 million in the year earlier period, the airline said in an emailed statement. Revenue for same period swelled to AED26.4 billion, from AED19.5 billion a year ago. "We continue to invest our profits in growing the business and our healthy financial position enables us to successfully meet all of our financial commitments and raise financing for future aircraft deliveries," said Emirates AirlineEmirates AirlineLoading... Chairman Sheik Ahmed bin Saeed Al Maktoum. The surge in Emirates' earnings shows that carriers in the Middle East have been able to weather one of the worst year's for the global aviation industry. Airlines in the region saw the highest growth rate of 11.2% in air passenger traffic for 2009. Industry body International Air Transport Association expects global airlines will show a combined profit of $8.9 billion this year, a small recoup of the early $50 billion [airlines] lost over the previous decade. Advertisement The Middle East is energizing the global aviation industry, read how here: Emirates said Monday it carried 15.5 million passengers in the first six months of the year, a 17% jump compared with the year ago period. The airline's passenger seat factor came in at 81.2%, the highest ever for a first six month reporting period. "Premium class seat factors have also risen by 2.6 percentage points, reflecting an encouraging change in the global economic outlook," the company said. Emirates said revenue from its SkyCargo division surged 48% to AED4.4 billion in the first half, while cargo tonnage rose 24% to 897,000 tons, compared with 725,000 tons a year ago. According to its website, Emirates currently operates a fleet of 149 aircraft--a mix of 142 Airbus and Boeing passenger aircraft and seven freighters. It's total order book stands at 204 aircraft, all wide body, and worth over $68 billion. http://www.zawya.com/Sto...cfm/sidZW20101101000063
This is a phenomenal airline! Compared to KQ, these guys are like a rocket to our snailGreedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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@VVS agreed Emirates is phenomenon...i had a closer look at KQ's 2009/10 1H...Ksh33B of revenue came from passengers with a jump of around 9% in Pax for 1H 2010/11 that translates to an additional KSh2-3 B in revenue...maybe mwanahisa KSh 1B operating profit is achievable..just my wishful thinking...LOL..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2008 Posts: 1,438
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the deal wrote:Sky roof investor expectations from this stock makes me think on 5 Nov KQ will sink below 40 bob if the results dissapoint... This is always the rub. In many cases companies deliver good results, but investors do not think they are good enough and dump the share. Conversely, when poor results are expected and are duly achieved, the share price does not fall as expected. This has recently happened in the case of EAPC, EA Cables and KenGen. In KQ's case, I think expectations are not too high. If you look at the share price, it has traded in a range from 42.50 to 48 over the last couple of months and is currently trading at the midpoint of that range, with fairly muted demand. I do not think this is indicative of high expectations.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2008 Posts: 1,438
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mwanahisa wrote:ProverB wrote:mwanahisa wrote: I trust that this is a hypothetical situation. I am fairly certain that KQ cannot achieve this feat in this Half, unless of course you are referring to the Operating Profits which were a miserly 160 million. I expect this to go up by a factor of more than 10!!!
how do you propose the above to be achieved?. Full Year 2009-10 Operating Profit stood at Kshs 1.839 B, while H1 2009-10 was Kshs 160 M. Ergo, H2 Operating Profit must have been Kshs 1.679 B. Replicate that in 2010-11 and you have your factor of 10x. Given the better operating environment in H1 2010-11, we would expect better. See quote from Q1 2010-11 KQ's operating performance: Uptake of total production at 1,892m revenue passenger kilometres represents a 9% growth compared to last year while the total passenger tally, which closed on 666,658 increased by 4%. The growth underpins increased long haul customer travel made possible by better economic environment. The resulting average cabin factor improved from last year’s level of 61.6% to 67.2%. Now, send out your BUY order!!! Buy me a beer someday if you make good on this.....hahaha.. I can buy you one if the bet turns otherwise. @the deal. This is how I came up with the operating profit projection. Not very scientific, but we have to go with the information available. I actually like your logic better as indicated in the post above, with regard to increase of revenues from the additional RPKs. If costs have been contained, then we should be well on our way to the anticipated H1 Operating Profit level.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,224 Location: Nairobi
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1Q 2010-11 was tough for KQ... Will it have made enough in 2Q to cover the poor 1Q? The Global Economy was still weak in 1Q though it had started picking up... Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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During the all conquering 2H of 2009/2010 KQ carried 1468789 passengers while during the 1H of 2010/11 KQ carried 1516225 passengers thats 47435 more passengers...lunch time Statistics...LOL...figures from KQ press releases.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,224 Location: Nairobi
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the deal wrote:During the all conquering 2H of 2009/2010 KQ carried 1468789 passengers while during the 1H of 2010/11 KQ carried 1516225 passengers thats 47435 more passengers...lunch time Statistics...LOL...figures from KQ press releases. Since you are on a roll... Please give us 1Q 2008-9 through 2Q 2010-11 passenger stats! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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VituVingiSana wrote:the deal wrote:During the all conquering 2H of 2009/2010 KQ carried 1468789 passengers while during the 1H of 2010/11 KQ carried 1516225 passengers thats 47435 more passengers...lunch time Statistics...LOL...figures from KQ press releases. Since you are on a roll... Please give us 1Q 2008-9 through 2Q 2010-11 passenger stats! I can't go further than that  but pumping your money into Unga instead of KQ was a mistake...but i think i have a feeling how the earnings will be "way better than last year"
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