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PKoli
#41 Posted : Wednesday, October 27, 2010 5:54:56 PM
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2012 wrote:
I called Dyer & Blair to enquire but as usual only one guy knows about cic and yap! you guessed it, he's never there.


Ask Suntra, they have been doing a lot of OTC trades. You may also ask African Alliance
2012
#42 Posted : Wednesday, October 27, 2010 6:09:48 PM
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PKoli wrote:
2012 wrote:
I called Dyer & Blair to enquire but as usual only one guy knows about cic and yap! you guessed it, he's never there.


Ask Suntra, they have been doing a lot of OTC trades. You may also ask African Alliance


Thx boss. I'll do that.

BBI will solve it
:)
Sasha
#43 Posted : Wednesday, October 27, 2010 6:19:01 PM
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@2010: You will not be able to transact before the rights issue. The share registrars (Coop Bank) are not effecting any transfers starting this week.

@PKoli: Agree with you and I hope the Coop Bank guys (I understand the company secretary is one of them) will inject some professionalism in that Board. Hopefully Kuria can steer this process unabated!
luxel
#44 Posted : Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:47:52 AM
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@sasha, why are you assuming there is no professionalism in the running of CIC? investors are interested in this company because the board has made it what it is today! Don't assume that beacause the board members are old they dont know what they are doing. The young people you are hoping will inject professionalism might actually mess it up.

Anyway, the register has been closed from today for right issue, wish you all the best in 2013.
PKoli
#45 Posted : Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:40:37 PM
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Today's advert by CIC does not give any full details. It is not saying how long the rights will take, when the registers will close and whether only current shareholders of CIC will be offered the shares.
TUPAC
#46 Posted : Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:45:05 PM
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what is it saying @koli? bado sijapata kuona papers.
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PKoli
#47 Posted : Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:55:17 PM
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TUPAC wrote:
what is it saying @koli? bado sijapata kuona papers.


A very small advert entitled ' Notice to shareholders; closure of register'

..The Board wishes to announce:

.The closure of of the register of Members for a period of 30 days from 28th October to 26th November 2010.
. The company will conduct a Rights issue of shares to the shareholders of the company.

..That provisional alllotment letters will be send to shareholders through their respective addresses.
...Duly completed provisional allotment letters together with payment should be returned to the nearest Coop bank branch or CIC branch.
Sasha
#48 Posted : Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:32:50 PM
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@PKoli: The rights issue is open only to the shareholders of the company as at 28 October 2010. It will run for the 30 day period between 28 October to 26 November. I believe that answers all your questions!
PKoli
#49 Posted : Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:54:50 PM
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Sasha wrote:
@PKoli: The rights issue is open only to the shareholders of the company as at 28 October 2010. It will run for the 30 day period between 28 October to 26 November. I believe that answers all your questions!


In the extra ordinary general meeting they talked about selling the shares to other sacco members who are not current shareholders.

They have not indicated that the rights will run for a period of 30 days. They have only said that the register will be closed for that period.
mwanahisa
#50 Posted : Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:35:48 PM
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PKoli wrote:
Sasha wrote:
@PKoli: The rights issue is open only to the shareholders of the company as at 28 October 2010. It will run for the 30 day period between 28 October to 26 November. I believe that answers all your questions!


In the extra ordinary general meeting they talked about selling the shares to other sacco members who are not current shareholders.

They have not indicated that the rights will run for a period of 30 days. They have only said that the register will be closed for that period.


PKoli, This is not a new private placement. I understand that it will be a rights issue, so it stands to reason that it should only be open to existing shareholders. Does anyone have the Information Memorandum, if they have issued one?
PKoli
#51 Posted : Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:50:08 PM
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@Mwanahisa,

From the advert it looks the shares will only be available to the existing shareholders. But during the special general meeting held in September, the shares were to be offered to existing class A and B shareholders as rights, and others to new sharehoders (sacco members not currently owning shares).
Kalameni
#52 Posted : Thursday, October 28, 2010 5:27:40 PM
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Which newspaper sir pkoli.
PKoli
#53 Posted : Thursday, October 28, 2010 5:34:15 PM
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Kalameni wrote:
Which newspaper sir pkoli.


Nation Pg 36; Standard pg 10
Kalameni
#54 Posted : Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:46:01 PM
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Is the ratio still 1 is to 1.lets say they split in two or 3 yrs to come whats the possible split ratio or if its a bonus whats da likely ratio
PKoli
#55 Posted : Thursday, October 28, 2010 11:25:12 PM
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Kalameni wrote:
Is the ratio still 1 is to 1.lets say they split in two or 3 yrs to come whats the possible split ratio or if its a bonus whats da likely ratio


Afer the rights issue, we shall have approx. 50 million shares. By the time of listing to the market, CiC should be liquid, not the way it is now. I see a possibility of a bonus of 5:1, bringing the total shares to just under 300m. That number can comfortably trade on the NSE.

Kalameni
#56 Posted : Friday, October 29, 2010 12:43:58 AM
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Thanks sir pkoli for the info,seems i won't participate in the rights,hopefully after the rights the counter will be a bit liquid nd allow us to acquire a few.
Ericsson
#57 Posted : Friday, October 29, 2010 9:05:45 AM
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CIC will list in the same way Co-operative bank did.
They will do a share split of 1:8 to have 480 million shares at a par value of ksh.2.50.
They will then create 120 million new shares which are the ones going to be offfered during the IPO.
The total number of issued shares will therefore be 600 million shares at a par value of ksh.2.50.
The IPO price will most likely be set at a price of around 8 Kenya shillings
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PKoli
#58 Posted : Friday, October 29, 2010 9:39:03 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
CIC will list in the same way Co-operative bank did.
They will do a share split of 1:8 to have 480 million shares at a par value of ksh.2.50.
They will then create 120 million new shares which are the ones going to be offfered during the IPO.
The total number of issued shares will therefore be 600 million shares at a par value of ksh.2.50.
The IPO price will most likely be set at a price of around 8 Kenya shillings


Ericsson. that is very prophetic. Ultimately, the price will be determined by the profitability/growth of CIC. Your prediction of eight bob does sound realistict.

Happy hunting
Bugatti
#59 Posted : Friday, October 29, 2010 10:33:21 AM
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PKoli=By the way i can see listing in NSE coming up even b4 2013.Reason being Co-op bank will influence so much given that they have a big say.Remember as per IAS(International Accounting Standard) 28 Co-op bank qualifies in any way to take full control.Dont forget the same directors who benefited immensely in the CO-Op bank IPO are the same ones who will be in control.They will ensure the same way happens in CIC.I am fully subscribing to my Rights even if it means getting a Loan.But Not to sell till the IPO.After IPO i will take a holiday to Bahamas
PKoli
#60 Posted : Friday, October 29, 2010 10:45:23 AM
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Bugatti wrote:
PKoli=By the way i can see listing in NSE coming up even b4 2013.Reason being Co-op bank will influence so much given that they have a big say.Remember as per IAS(International Accounting Standard) 28 Co-op bank qualifies in any way to take full control.Dont forget the same directors who benefited immensely in the CO-Op bank IPO are the same ones who will be in control.They will ensure the same way happens in CIC.I am fully subscribing to my Rights even if it means getting a Loan.But Not to sell till the IPO.After IPO i will take a holiday to Bahamas



@Bugatti

True, I think we may ealier listing of CIC. I am also taking up my rights and sunscribing for more. I will keep buying more till I have a bout 100K CIC, then I can relax a little.
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