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Half of Ugandan banks record losses.....including KCB and Equity branches
jaggernaut
#1 Posted : Saturday, October 23, 2010 2:03:39 PM
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Not good news from across the border. Quite a contrast compared to the Kenyan situation.


The Standard: Half of Ugandan banks record losses
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#2 Posted : Saturday, October 23, 2010 2:53:12 PM
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The report seems to be from June last year to June this year. Equity is announcing soon, maybe we'll get more up to date info. Did KCB mention the specific amount of money they lost?
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PKoli
#3 Posted : Sunday, October 24, 2010 10:14:16 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
The report seems to be from June last year to June this year. Equity is announcing soon, maybe we'll get more up to date info. Did KCB mention the specific amount of money they lost?


I thought only Stanbic Ug had reduced profitability in during the 1st half period!
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#4 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 6:58:18 AM
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So many banks in Uganda yet the quality of service generally sucks... and very expensive... Best banks are Crane Bank & Diamond Trust...
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#5 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 7:05:22 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
So many banks in Uganda yet the quality of service generally sucks... and very expensive... Best banks are Crane Bank & Diamond Trust...

Nice to hear that DTB is one of the better banks in Uganda
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#6 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 9:12:44 AM
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Lets hope all this losses are being part of this 3Q results...
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#7 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 11:23:17 AM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
So many banks in Uganda yet the quality of service generally sucks... and very expensive... Best banks are Crane Bank & Diamond Trust...

Nice to hear that DTB is one of the better banks in Uganda

You know, crane bank is known for taking people's property, as Sudir has been termed a loan shark.

DTB isn't among the top 5 banks, in terms of assets and profitability, am not sure when it comes to efficiency.
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#8 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 11:29:50 AM
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msimon wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
So many banks in Uganda yet the quality of service generally sucks... and very expensive... Best banks are Crane Bank & Diamond Trust...

Nice to hear that DTB is one of the better banks in Uganda

You know, crane bank is known for taking people's property, as Sudir has been termed a loan shark.

DTB isn't among the top 5 banks, in terms of assets and profitability, am not sure when it comes to efficiency.


1) I don't care if the bank is large or small... I want safety & service... DTBU gives me both!
[Stanbic sucks! They are too pricey for me. I liked dfcu but DTBU is in Kenya too]

2) Crane Bank: Do not know but Ugandans don't like paying back loans! Ask Equity Bank who have had a horrid experience! Crane Bank is a local bank who knows how to get the collateral if you don't pay back what you borrowed...
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#9 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 1:16:56 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
msimon wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
So many banks in Uganda yet the quality of service generally sucks... and very expensive... Best banks are Crane Bank & Diamond Trust...

Nice to hear that DTB is one of the better banks in Uganda

You know, crane bank is known for taking people's property, as Sudir has been termed a loan shark.

DTB isn't among the top 5 banks, in terms of assets and profitability, am not sure when it comes to efficiency.


1) I don't care if the bank is large or small... I want safety & service... DTBU gives me both!
[Stanbic sucks! They are too pricey for me. I liked dfcu but DTBU is in Kenya too]

2) Crane Bank: Do not know but Ugandans don't like paying back loans! Ask Equity Bank who have had a horrid experience! Crane Bank is a local bank who knows how to get the collateral if you don't pay back what you borrowed...

Yeh, a good number aren't that disciplined when it comes to loan payment. But its said that Sudhir(CEO of Crane Bank), always looks for prime businesses and properties,then lends the proprietors hoping that they may fail to pay. No wonder he is famed for that and ofter times called called a loan shark. Whats even more amusing is he owns over 200 prime properties in kampala.
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#10 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 1:29:29 PM
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@Msimon

What is the major problem? Is it that guys misuse the money they borrow or they just do not want to pay?

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#11 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 1:31:47 PM
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PKoli wrote:
@Msimon

What is the major problem? Is it that guys misuse the money they borrow or they just do not want to pay?
LOL... It is true... why borrow if you do not need the cash?

If you borrow then repay it... do not use the excuse that Crane Bank lent you money!!!
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#12 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 1:38:58 PM
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the deal wrote:
Lets hope all this losses are being part of this 3Q results...


Ugandans do not report quarterly earnings, so this could not be covering the 1st half. As you prayed let us hope this is only for 1st half, else we will be done
msimon
#13 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 2:53:10 PM
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PKoli wrote:
the deal wrote:
Lets hope all this losses are being part of this 3Q results...


Ugandans do not report quarterly earnings, so this could not be covering the 1st half. As you prayed let us hope this is only for 1st half, else we will be done


Pkoli, you cant be done just because your company missed a quarterly profit. Besides, most of these banks can leverage with their operations outside uganda. Besides, the money making days are coming soon.
About the loans, you know, these days banks have learnt how to make sure people live in debt by hawking loans. What crane bank does is hawk loans to high profile individuals and they have loads of shady deals. No wonder they were part of the scandal of the NSSF guys who made ilegal dealings on the USE.

Btw, has any of you heard anything about the upcoming bralirwa IPO??

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#14 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 2:58:42 PM
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I may be speaking out of ignorance but from what i gather, business in uganda is very slow not just for the banks but even stock brokers. I can say for sure that at-least as far as the stock market is concerned, nearly all the players there are just doing it for PR. No profits and no sign of a turnaround soon.

Iam told its something do with the culture there. Those guys apparently are not as hungry as Kenyans!
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#15 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 3:01:07 PM
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msimon wrote:
What crane bank does is hawk loans to high profile individuals and they have loads of shady deals. No wonder they were part of the scandal of the NSSF guys who made ilegal dealings on the USE.
So those ensnared by Crane Bank loans deserve to be screwed over since they are shady to begin with???
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#16 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 3:15:12 PM
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the deal wrote:
Lets hope all this losses are being part of this 3Q results...



@the deal KCB and equity report as a group so Uganda's results are factored in into the groups results...

I've told you Uganda is the most economically dormant place i've ever been...

We have one Uchumi, one Nakumatt, and one shoprite store in the WHOLE country but you can still find these operating at half capacity with zero lines at the tills... And they talk of economic growth
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PKoli
#17 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 3:35:44 PM
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guru267 wrote:
the deal wrote:
Lets hope all this losses are being part of this 3Q results...



@the deal KCB and equity report as a group so Uganda's results are factored in into the groups results...

I've told you Uganda is the most economically dormant place i've ever been...

We have one Uchumi, one Nakumatt, and one shoprite store in the WHOLE country but you can still find these operating at half capacity with zero lines at the tills... And they talk of economic growth



why would all these banks want to open branches in the country?
VituVingiSana
#18 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 4:14:06 PM
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PKoli wrote:
guru267 wrote:
the deal wrote:
Lets hope all this losses are being part of this 3Q results...


@the deal KCB and equity report as a group so Uganda's results are factored in into the groups results...

I've told you Uganda is the most economically dormant place i've ever been...

We have one Uchumi, one Nakumatt, and one shoprite store in the WHOLE country but you can still find these operating at half capacity with zero lines at the tills... And they talk of economic growth


why would all these banks want to open branches in the country?

Coz the banks customers want them to... Think Nakumatt, Uchumi, Bidco, KenolKobil, etc... And these are the larger firms... then we have the SMEs + importers using Mombasa Port...
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#19 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 4:15:47 PM
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I would say Ugandans aren't that financially sophisticated just like Kenyans aren't as sophisticated as Indian Indians.
Thus aren't that good with loan repayments/ cash flow planning or even utilisation of working capital facilities. A good number therefore resort to selling off their property in order to repay their loans when sh*t hits the fan. Plus there's a low rate of monetization in the economy meaning transactions are mostly cash-based and very little is banked.
Why banks open branches? Because they can cheaply get deposit floats there - plus they can charge loans expensively while giving low deposit rates thereby maximizing on their spread. Guys arent that fussy about rates unlike kenyans who will raise hell when deposit rates go down 100 basis points or lending artes go up by similar margin.
Note Uganda has so many foreigners (Somalis, Angolans, Congolese huko Arua, Sudanese,Asians,and lately Chinese)and is thus rich in foreign currency reserves (esp. USD just like TZ) vis-a-vis their local shilling (possibly because foreigners want to keep their cash in a more stable currency).

BTW, is it true those Chinese doing their roads (maybe even ours)are good-behaviour-prisoners (about to be paroled) from China?
VituVingiSana
#20 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 4:24:44 PM
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Well... I think perhaps the Tea Companies should look at outsourcing tea picking to the Chinese??? [LOL...]
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