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IMPACT FACTOR OF WAZUA ON THE NSE
stocksmaster
#1 Posted : Tuesday, October 19, 2010 1:24:25 PM
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I have always wondered the effect of Wazua on the NSE. Could we be underestimating the influence of Wazua on the investment decisions of people at the NSE (especially on the speculation aspect of the market). Can Wazua pump a stock to a point that it gains momentum (create a tipping point effect towards the positive or negative trajectory of a stock).

My hypothesis is that the effect of Wazua on the NSE is not negible especially if that action is focused on a share that obeys one key characteristic ie Limited float/availability at the market.

I am seriously thinking of how to develop the research methodology for this hypothesis.

Happy hunting
the deal
#2 Posted : Tuesday, October 19, 2010 1:51:15 PM
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@SM look at DTBK when folks started threads here it was @ 108 now look where it is...i also think we underestimate the depth of the Wazua members...we have fund managers, stockbrokers...high networth investors coming here everyday...
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, October 19, 2010 2:40:54 PM
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Ha ha ha.....ha ha ha
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, October 19, 2010 2:49:54 PM
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stocksmaster wrote:
I have always wondered the effect of Wazua on the NSE. Could we be underestimating the influence of Wazua on the investment decisions of people at the NSE (especially on the speculation aspect of the market). Can Wazua pump a stock to a point that it gains momentum (create a tipping point effect towards the positive or negative trajectory of a stock).

My hypothesis is that the effect of Wazua on the NSE is not negible especially if that action is focused on a share that obeys one key characteristic ie Limited float/availability at the market.

I am seriously thinking of how to develop the research methodology for this hypothesis.

Happy hunting



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#5 Posted : Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:03:21 PM
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If Wazua had that much muscle, KK would be at 25 by now. Plus how many Wazuans saw the SCANGROUP rally coming?
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:17:17 PM
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Simple, let us put it to test. May I propose Mumias, we drive it to 14-15 so I can bail out.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:24:14 PM
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[quote=the deali also think we underestimate the depth of the Wazua members...we have fund managers, stockbrokers...high networth investors coming here everyday...[/quote]
I agree. Maybe we have very good stock pickers in wazua and when they discuss a stock it will inevitably go up but not due to the discussion at wazua rather by its own merit. Maybe what we should be discussing here is the track record of stock pickers at wazua. Whaen I joined wazua I had being an observer for a while thaen I noticed that guys here really did pick stocks well. But maybe if we have a no. of fund managers here the prices may actually be affected...hmmmmd'oh!
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:56:28 PM
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there is about 50 counter trading at the NSE. with 300+ members here at wazua and about 20% of them making 80% contribution (if you know the 20/80 rule. we can have to comment on almost every stock that has any action.
you chose to look at the stocks that the right decisions were made and your results will be different and diverse from the one who has been making losses basing on the discussions here.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, October 19, 2010 4:01:27 PM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
Simple, let us put it to test. May I propose Mumias, we drive it to 14-15 so I can bail out.

roger that
guru267
#10 Posted : Wednesday, October 20, 2010 7:37:51 AM
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Very interesting topic.... i'm pretty sure wazua does influence prices of counters especially the illiquid ones...

I'm thinking as soon as @SM sold his KCB holding at 22.75 the rest of wazuans did the same because there has been huge retail activity at this price.... Laughing out loudly

Jubilee has been trading at the range of 185-190 for more than a month then a few days ago @mwanahisa said he was going to buy at 199 and the price immediately shot up to 199

I do admit i have on enough occasions driven up the price of an illiquid stock basing on discussions on wazua....
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, October 20, 2010 8:11:57 AM
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hahhahahah. this is the most USELESS topic on wazua .its only second to the unga topic in its uselessness.Ati wazua a forum with just a couple of thousand registered members plus a handfull of hits per day affects a multi billion kenya shilling stock exchange ?????Pure logic states that its just impossible.
Just a though for you all, when the foreingers were buyin up the stcks when they were dirty cheap in January did they come to wazua to read on the "guru" recommendations that were posted here. LOLest. The topic starter has just made my Kenyatta day !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this just show people have ran out of topics....//////
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the deal
#12 Posted : Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:57:42 AM
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As a foreign investor u r always clueless on what the market sentiment is...politics...e.t.c...every market is unique in its way...the NSE is unique cos the bulk of investors r retailers n most of them invest according to sentiment not fundamentals...i'm sure most of those foreign fund managers come here as guests...or theyre even registered users...
My 2 cents
#13 Posted : Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:31:39 PM
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who said most buyers in nse are retail? nothing can be further from the truth.
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:52:23 PM
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@ The Deal: Good point.
The bulk of retail investors approach the NSE as a Casino (@Young calls it speculatively speculative). They therefore dont buy into a counter but rather place bets. This actually explains why many Kenyans love pyramid schemes and get rich quick schemes. The NSE to many is a legal pyramid scheme especially when it is delivering quick gains.

Based on this, Wazua provides an avenue where the retail investor can increase chances of success by getting a feeling of which counter is currently being tipped to go up...up....up....

The majority of Wazua visitors are not even registered. After visiting the site for some time and compairing the advice on Wazua with the actual market activity, some self fulfiling prophesies are noted which reinforces the speculative behaviour. This is further compounded by the pedestrian level information given to clients at most brokerages.

A typical NSE trading day has approximately 2000 market deals and if Wazua members based on the sentiments on this site account for even 100, then some effect is realistic. Remember the price of an illiquid counter can be affected by as little as 100 shares traded (eg On Monday, 18th October 2010, Carbacid traded only 100 shares at Ksh 170. The previous days closing price had been 163. This single trade worth Ksh 17,000 effectively raised the market capitalization of Carbacid by Ksh 238M).

Happy hunting

tony stark
#15 Posted : Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:08:41 PM
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stocksmaster wrote:

My hypothesis is that the effect of Wazua on the NSE is not negible especially if that action is focused on a share that obeys one key characteristic ie Limited float/availability at the market.

I am seriously thinking of how to develop the research methodology for this hypothesis.

Happy hunting


I share your hypothesis.
To carry out such a study it would be an observational study first and then you can create a predictive model.
The observational study would be very simple to do. Create a questionnaire asking retail buyers at the NSE whether they have heard of wazua? How much and what they have invested in previous 6-12 months. The more detailed it is the better. This preliminary study will tell you if wazua has any influence.

The model would be simpler to do in time and number of people you have to interview. Try and rank trending topics. Number of views, number of postings and prices. from the wazua post try and determine if there is an association with price change on a particular stock using nse data from retail investors. This can be bought from the data vendors easily.

It would be an interesting project for a serious MBA.
Good luck and happy hunting
kenmac
#16 Posted : Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:16:46 PM
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>> There is a definate correlation between Wazua and NSE... and it goes without say that some marginal changes in stock prices may be attributed to writings on these walls...



Y=α + βx1 + βx2 + μ, where Y is the NSE reaction


α is the constant parameter



β1 & β2 are the coefficients

x1 is the external factors



x2 is the effect attributable to wazua.
......Ecclesiastes
sparkly
#17 Posted : Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:30:15 PM
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Wazua members are above average stock pickers, well versed with fundamentals, technicals, juju etc. objectivity in analysis as members are not motivated to hype stocks for commissions like IBs. Pia kuna insiders like njunge the farmer on mumias. Whether they can influence prices to rise i doubt coz now unga would be at 60bob and no stock would fall.
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guru267
#18 Posted : Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:26:07 PM
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what happened two days after stocksmaster bought KCB at 19bob??

What happened two days after he announced his buy of DTBK at 118bob???

I stumbled on wazua when i was looking for info on the Kenyan market and i was a guest for more than a year before joining so i do believe there are a couple of small time fund managers especially foreign who use the info on wazua.
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Njung'e
#19 Posted : Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:29:46 PM
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sparkly wrote:
Pia kuna insiders like njunge the farmer on mumias.


@Sparkly,
Sad The fact that i know a thing or two about the sugar industry does not make me an insider nor a cane farmer.Tuheshimiane!
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guru267
#20 Posted : Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:35:55 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Pia kuna insiders like njunge the farmer on mumias.


@Sparkly,
Sad The fact that i know a thing or two about the sugar industry does not make me an insider nor a cane farmer.Tuheshimiane!


@Njung'e you quoted the exact EPS of mumias a week before they were publicized so its hard to convince us otherwise
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