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Why do they kill?
Cardinal
#21 Posted : Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:42:09 AM
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bwenyenye wrote:
@Shak,

I do not think there is anything more humiliating to a man than that. If you have heard the song 'coward of the county' then you may understand what I am saying.


True , here goes the song

Twenty years of crawlin' was bottled up inside him.
He wasn't holdin' nothin' back; he let 'em have it all.
When Tommy left the barroom not a Gatlin boy was standin'.
He said, "This one's for Becky," as he watched the last one fall.
And I heard him say,

"I promised you, Dad, not to do the things you've done.
I'll walk away from trouble when I can.
Now please don't think I'm weak, I couldn't turn the other cheek,
'n Papa, I sure hope you understand:
Sometimes you gotta fight when you're a man."
Surealligator
#22 Posted : Monday, October 18, 2010 2:53:33 PM
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@Wendz

If I don't get back to you today, I will do so next week. Am approaching hostile region and not sure we will still be network covered.

Was wondering if you read the article on Justus Ogendi Kabambe or something like that. Here is a part of the story I was reading and listen to what I have come across so far as arguments of the insane and the sane alike but don't hit back very hard.

The eight-page complaint obtained by the Daily Nation says Mr Kebabe, from Kisii, told authorities he had an argument with his wife on Monday over an alleged extra-marital affair he thought she was involved in.

He then struck Ms Omare with a golf club and strangled her after she started screaming, says the complaint. The couple’s children returned home after school but, unaware that their mother was lying dead in the apartment, went to bed, according to the complaint.

In the morning, the complaint says, Mr Kebabe prepared fruit juice for the children and added Tylenol PM pills (a pain and fever reliever) and gave to the children.

He told investigators that when their eldest child, Kinsley went to take a bath, he followed him and held his head under water, drowning him as the boy screamed “Stop daddy stop!”

He took the body into a bedroom and covered it with blankets before leaving the room and locking the door.

The complaint says Mr Kebabe told authorities he then went into Ivyn’s room, where the girl was lying on her bed as the drugs took effect, and smothered her with a pillow before strangling her to death.

Mr Kebabe also told authorities that he tried committing suicide by taking several Tylenol PM pills and putting a plastic bag over his head.

He abandoned this course of action after realising “he had no plans for the four-year-old girl and didn’t want her to go back to Kenya.”

Mr Kebabe told the investigators that he typed notes on how his daughter should be taken care of but panicked and fled with her. Sheriff’s deputies found the three bodies after Mr Kebabe’s cousin, Mr Joseph Lister Nyaringo called from New Jersey.

http://www.nation.co.ke/...8/-/i2g9bh/-/index.html


Note, Ogendi was very much in his faculties to a point where he knew about the future and desired the best for his elder child by leaving a will.

In short, the man could not continue leaving a lie. Life had ceased to him and he felt obliged to end it with honor. There are men who still believe in putting things in order for honor. In other words, there are things my wife can do to me and I would not be able to live with, I become wild, evil, terror etc to destroy the betrayal, lost image, spoilt lineage you name it.

Wendz, that is why am still hearing men say, "if I was ever to discover that our first born was ours but our second and third born were born by an outsider without my consent while I have raised them for the last ten years, what Justus Ogendi has done would appear to be child's play".

You wanted to understand why we do it.

1. Honor is more important to some of us than peace. If it takes terror or our lives to regain the honor, let it be.

2. When I get married to you, I expect you to play your part accordingly if am also playing my part. Never believe the adage that all men are the same. Some of us never stray from home.

3. The last time I was in Kenya, this guy had an excuse of touching the barmaid on soft spots a few minutes before we drove home. In the car, he said he wanted the arousal from the bar to continue home so that he could fulfill his obligation at home. Reason, mama has lost appeal and however much he tries, she does not generate arousal on her own. But the guy does not want to cheat. Depends on how you look at it here.

4. A wife is still a stranger in the house cauze you don't share blood. The cost of raising two children is astronomical is everything was to be accounted for including monetary, emotional, physical and spiritual. Count how many medical bills you have paid for the kids, struggled to take them to the best schools, loved them unconditionally including changing their nappies {how many men do you see changing a neighbour's kid's nappy?} etc, then one day, you discover you have wasted all your resources on some bloody vagabond's children because the wife had let her airport go adrift.

5. There is a difference between me agreeing to take you in wife your bustard child but if you add another bustard while we live together, I wont take it kindly.

6. This one, I know I will get some hash response. Many men don't marry because they enjoy living with the woman. It is all about keeping the family tree going on, keep the clan blood flowing cauze the future holds so much we never know when the clan will finally come together with the ancestors and questions will be asked, did you propagate and defend the honor of the family lineage at all cost? Honor killings do not give a hoot about region, governments or ethics especially when the same three facilitate despoliation, sacrilege and desecration of family honor.

7. When a woman has survived ten yrs of deceit, the day she is found out compounds matters 100 times. It is far better to come home and tell hubby, "dear, I was raped. What do we do with the consequences." Ten years of double lies makes a man feel so bad that normal punishment cannot be adequate. Only capital punishment makes sense so that no one would ever ask me whether we divorced or blah blah. It would all be there for the world to read in the papers and internet if not on telly. Why we don't learn from it is still a mystery cauze I've heard pretty of these discipline measures with a finality in recent times.

8. If you kill the mother and leave the bustards alive, they will grow up to be strong and possibly avenge their mother's killing.

9. There is nothing sweet than hitting a man who has been having an affair with your wife where it hurts most while he cannot come forward to claim he sired the kids whose blood was shed courtesy of his conniving skills and lust. That is why the butcher man still risks giving your wife an extra kg of meat even if you might be suspicious, cauze blood is thicker than water and if you kill that child he sired with your wife, he would feel it where it hurts most.

10. Just wanted to give ten reasons before you come up with your ten ways of avoiding the Justus Ogendi, Mukovero, etc phenomena. Sex is very sweet, the more you enjoy it especially from different partners, the more severe the repercussions will be. So, it is natures way of balancing things.

11. A bonus point:

Twelve years of stress from his wife;
was bottled up inside him.

He wasn't holdin' nothin' back;
he let her have it all.

When the hubby left the house,
not a single bustard was standing.

It looked like a scene from Mogadishu;
when American elite amphibian marines,
were last there.

He said, "This one's for bucherman,
as he watched the last bustard fall.

And I heard him say, I promised you dad;
not to betray the family bloodline...

Note, It's not that am enjoying it, am trying to be poetic so that others can read, learn and be better off even if it's only one who will take heed. On the other hand, there is nowhere I said that the man is right and the woman wrong, I only presented it according to various sources cauze I've been doing some findings on the same.
Go overdrive in purchasing the goods when there's blood on the streets, expecially if the blood is your own
Wendz
#23 Posted : Monday, October 18, 2010 5:14:23 PM
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@sure

some serious stuff there.... but i cant help feel the pain of their eldest child who was trying to tell him to stop knowing too well he was being killed.... and he cant live to say "phew!! that was close"..... or even ask questions.
dossy7
#24 Posted : Monday, October 18, 2010 5:25:59 PM
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@Surealligator Dont you think however as much as the reasons can be justifiable why he did it,shouldn't he have just divorced the wife and seek happiness elsewhere?
You can't justify murder,murder is murder period.It's high time people went back to serve their GOD.
Kenya ni yetu sisi sote
vinii
#25 Posted : Monday, October 18, 2010 5:34:24 PM
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Pastor M wrote:
@Wendz...I would try and answer You asked do they just wake up one day and just kill or is it something they have been contemplating for a while? What signs should one look out for in a spouse who can do such a heinous act? Do they give forewarning?
Yes there are sign a murderer is like suicidal they keep saying their intention infact there is lady in our church whom we advised to separate because the hubby keeps telling her that one of them will go to morgue and the other one to prison.Also animal cruelty when having sex and if the person abuses drugs kama bangi etc


nini hii 'animal cruelty when having sex' - i have always believed women like it...whats your opinion @Wendz??
If you are an eagle don't hang around with chickens; chickens don't fly....
otienosmall
#26 Posted : Tuesday, October 19, 2010 2:58:41 PM
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TRUE STORY; A brother from a remote village struggles with books and manage to go to campus. After campus he does shoddy jobs as he tarmacs and luckily lands into a fairly good job. This brother decides to look for a soul mate and settles for another village girl who incidentally dropped out of school after fourth form due to lack of fees. Being a very kind brother, he denies himself quite alot and sacrifices to see the girl through some parallel degree training. The brother takes a couple of loans to accomplish that. Lady luck finally smiles and the brother gets a green card and lands into a fairly good job in America. Later the wife joins him and the guy gets her some job abroad. Soon life looks good, the two remits money for educating the wife’s siblings, up-keep of parents etc…
A few years down the line, the guy notices there is something cooking between his wife and some Nigerian family friend. On further investigations, he confirms with some certainty that some of their kids were actually fathered by the said guy…..he tumbles into documents proving the two have known each other for quite sometimes and are even involved in some other business behind his back……with such knowledge at hand one would require a miracle not to repeat what Justus Ogendi did…
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